Snowden, Russian web guru argue over security of WhatsApp & Telegram
Previously Snowden criticized the new messenger Allo by Google, because it “stores every message you ever send and makes it available to police upon request.” One Twitter user asked Snowden’s opinion on Telegram, and a new dispute on IM security erupted.
Snowden said the messaging service is “dangerous for non-experts.” Pavel Durov joined the conversation and noted that WhatsApp (WA) stores “entire chat histories not encrypted on Google Drive/iCloud.”
@Snowden Did you take into account that the majority of users of WA store their entire chat histories not encrypted on Google Drive/iCloud?— Pavel Durov (@durov) September 21, 2016
Durov also said: “~80% of WA messages end up being stored unencrypted in the US, readily available for US agencies. +100% of metadata.”
@Snowden Even if you turn these backups off, your contacts will still backup their chats with you. This also means 0 security in WA groups.— Pavel Durov (@durov) September 21, 2016
Snowden, for his part, said that external services are somewhat irrelevant in this case and demanded proof for Durov’s words.
@durov Your work is admirable, but respectfully, I believe it more helpful to respond to criticism through patch notes rather than Twitter.— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) September 21, 2016
Durov replied that Telegram provides encrypted cloud for users, while WA can “switch off their "e2e" [end-to-end encryption] remotely from their server for any user at any time.”
@Snowden And real e2e for those who don't. While Whatsapp can switch off their "e2e" remotely from their server for any user at any time.— Pavel Durov (@durov) September 21, 2016
The first dispute between the two on the security of Telegram emerged late in 2015, when Snowden expressed doubts about the messaging service’s default settings.
Edward Snowden is a former NSA contractor and CIA employee who revealed thousands of classified documents on global surveillance in 2013 and fled from Hawaii for Hong Kong, sought asylum in a number of countries, including in South America, but was eventually stranded in Moscow after the US revoked his passport. Snowden faces criminal charges of espionage and theft of government property in the US, despite repeated calls for President Barack Obama to pardon the whistleblower.
Pavel Durov is the founder of Russia’s Facebook-like social media “VKontakte” and messaging service Telegram. In 2014, Durov left VKontakte and Russia, claiming that Russia’s government was interfering in his business. Telegram was founded in 2013 and is headquartered in Berlin. The messaging service has gained millions of users claiming privacy and speed as its top priorities.