Clinton & Trump lies about US intervention overseas go unchallenged during NBC town hall
Active military personnel and veterans attended Wednesday night's televised town hall as the candidates, who spoke separately, gave the world a real taste of what to expect if either has their ‘finger on the button.’
Trump fired shots at Clinton over her vote in the Senate for the invasion of Iraq and her decision to interfere in Libya, which he described as “a terrible mistake.”
Many criticized the morning host Lauer for not challenging Trump’s lie that he was against the war in Iraq from the start.
He even attempted to cut Clinton off when she tried to raise the billionaire’s record during her segment.
Matt Lauer is to politics as TMZ is to news. #CommanderInChiefForum— Nick Foley (@FastFoley) September 8, 2016
While Trump has repeatedly used his opposition to the war as a selling point, there is no record of this anti-war stance.
Instead, when asked if he supported the invasion of Iraq during a September 2002 interview on the Howard Stern radio show, he responded, “Yeah, I guess so.”
“I wish the first time it was done correctly,” he added.
Trump's unpresidential trifecta tonight:— Brian Fallon (@brianefallon) September 8, 2016
1. Attack our generals
2. Praise Putin
3. Blame women in combat for sexual assault#NBCNewsForum
Clinton’s answers were often crafted to show up Trump’s unsuitability to be commander in chief.
She said the most important factor was “temperament and judgment,” but then went on to highlight how Trump held the same positions as her on Iraq and Libya when she was asked about her “hawkish foreign policy.”
Goddammit, Matt Lauer, you ask Clinton aggressive follow-up questions on email and just let Trump lie about his support of the Iraq War?!— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) September 8, 2016
“I view force as a last resort, not a first choice,” she claimed.
On Libya, Clinton’s defense was that there was “no difference between my opponent and myself.”
She went on to describe US intervention in Libya as “the right decision,” adding “permitting there to be an ongoing civil war in Libya would have been as dangerous and threatening as we are seeing in Syria.”
Since the 2011 military intervention, Libya has experienced ongoing civil war as rival groups fight for control over what has been described as a ‘failed state,’ with sections of the country under control of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and 400,000 displaced in 2015.
“We were able to save lives, we did not lose a single American in that action,” Clinton said, ignoring the civilians who died from NATO bombings and the evidence of torture and atrocities by the “rebels” backed by the US, France and the UK, as noted in reports by human rights organizations.
Hillary lied when she said no American lives were lost in Libya. What about Libyan lives? Do they matter? pic.twitter.com/WWRMMXVMs9— Dr. Barry Hunter (@DrBarry43) September 8, 2016
When Lauer asked the audience to raise their hands if they had served in Iraq, about half of them did.
“How do you think these people feel when the person running to be their commander in chief says her vote to go to war in Iraq was a mistake?” he then asked Clinton, but not Trump.
“Look, I think that the decision to go to war in Iraq was a mistake,” Clinton responded.
“I also believe that it is imperative that we learn from the mistakes, like ‘after action reports’ are supposed to do,” Clinton said. “So we must learn what led us down that path, so that it never happens again. I think I’m in the best possible position to be able to understand that and prevent it.”
When asked about whether Clinton was concerned about Iran “cheating” on the nuclear deal, she said she was more concerned about other aspects of Iranian policy like “ballistic missiles, support for terrorists, being involved in Syria, Yemen or other places, supporting Hezbollah, Hamas.”
Did @MattlauerToday ask HRC why she takes $ from Saudi Arabia, other countries that support terrorism & mistrtment of women, children, gays?— Garlicnosedho (@Garlicnosedho) September 8, 2016
Lauer also got some pushback for spending too much time asking Clinton about her email scandal and for lobbing softball questions to Trump.
.@MLauer spent 10 min on emails, something that's been beaten to death, hoping for some gotcha scoop. He spent rest of time cutting her off.— Wilson (@wc_thats_me) September 8, 2016
30 minutes is just not enough time for #CommanderInChiefForum particularly when Matt Lauer wastes 12 minutes on emails.— Kyle Leith (@KyleLeith) September 8, 2016
Trump is taking heat for his comments on Wednesday about his 2013 tweet which implied rape was to be expected when men and women serve together.
He called for a “court system within the military,” apparently unaware that such a system already exists.
26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 7, 2013
Matt Lauer to Donald Trump, "Mr. Trump you realize that the US military already has a court system?" ... No @mlauer didn't say that— RiotWomenn (@riotwomennn) September 8, 2016
Trump is so stupid and profoundly ignorant he doesn't even know we have military court system omg— (((Maggy))) (@Maggyw519) September 8, 2016
#CinCForum Trump doesn't know there is a military court. Enough said.— Terra Firma (@SDzzz) September 8, 2016
On Iraq and Libya, Trump focused on the quality of their “so valuable, so good” oil, claiming major oil producer Iran “is going to get whatever ISIS doesn’t already have” in Libya.
When asked what’s next after defeating Islamic State, Trump criticized previous administrations about Iraq and said they should “take the oil.”
Trump's back to his incredible nonsense about "taking the oil." This could not be more stupid. #CommanderInChiefForum— Ben White (@morningmoneyben) September 8, 2016
So Trump thinks stealing Iraq's oil by force would cause MORE stability and peace in the Middle East? Check please #CommanderInChiefForum— Wesley James (@LionMandrake) September 8, 2016
Both candidates have ties to the oil industry.
One of Trump’s advisers is fellow billionaire Harold Hamm, who backs fracking and denies the existence of climate change.
While Clinton has raised more than Trump from the oil industry, the Republican brought in $159,000 directly from employees in that sector through the end of July, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reports.
WSJ adds that Trump raked in another $470,000 through a Republican National Committee oil sector fund for his campaign.
Clinton’s Democratic National Committee fund has received $650,000 and her campaign got another half a million in direct donations.
The Clinton Foundation received millions of dollars from big oil companies over the years, most controversially in 2009, at a time when she was approving pipelines and other projects as Secretary of State.
While Green Party candidate Jill Stein and Libertarian Gary Johnson weren’t invited to the town hall debate, they would have represented much different views on US interventions overseas.
Trump says "to the victor go the spoils". So first he pretends to oppose the Iraq War, now he says we should take their oil? #NBCNewsForum— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) September 8, 2016
Clinton-backed wars in Iraq and Libya are what created ISIS and made it stronger. More of the same will keep backfiring. #NBCNewsForum— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) September 8, 2016
Stein’s anti-war platform calls for an end to American imperialism, including the closure of all US military bases overseas and abolishing all nuclear weapons.
Johnson’s isolationist foreign policy is in line with most Libertarians, although he admitted during a Thursday morning interview on the MSNBC show “Morning Joe” that he doesn’t know what (or where) Aleppo is.
He later released the following statement.
The Libertarian party platform supports a sufficient military to defend against aggression, but calls for an end to “its attempts to act as a policeman for the world.”