On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to Professor Paulo Nogueira Batista Jr., a former executive director of the IMF and former VP of the BRICS New Development Bank, ahead of the upcoming 2025 BRICS Summit in Rio. He discusses the tectonic change of the West’s relative decline in economic, cultural, and moral terms as a result of their support for the Gaza genocide, Brazil’s internal divisions when it comes to orientation towards the US or BRICS, the pace of BRICS de-dollarization being more substantial than most people realize, the timid approach of the NDB even amid the Russia-NATO proxy war in Ukraine, China being target number one of the US and what the Ukraine proxy war has taught it, PM Narendra Modi’s India increasingly becoming a major problem for BRICS, the importance of Iran to BRICS and why Iran should have had a nuclear weapon a long time ago, and much more.