On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to ex-US Secretary of State Colin Powell’s chief of staff and retired US Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson. He discusses the advert he along with his co-signers put in the New York Times urging people to see the proxy war in Ukraine through Russia’s eyes, the rising threat of a tactical nuclear exchange, and why he is more worried about a nuke being used by Washington or another party than Moscow using a nuclear weapon. He also discusses why he believes NATO is likely to disintegrate if the Russia-NATO proxy war in Ukraine continues for a long period, the bankruptcy of the US economy, and its declining ability to militarily dominate and sanction others, plus whether Donald Trump can end the proxy war in Ukraine.