Most of us agree that desperate times call for desperate measures, but do they also call for desperate leaders? Oksana’s guest believes that while sane leaders are well-suited for good times, a disturbed mind may be the best to see a country through rough times. How so? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Nassir Ghaemi, professor of psychiatry at Tufts University and Harvard Medical School and author of ‘A First-Rate Madness: Uncovering the Links Between Leadership and Mental Illness.’