Heated exchange: Ex-Obama & Clinton national security director challenged on Russia vs NATO in Ukraine

On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to the senior fellow & director of European Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations and former national security director for European Affairs under Presidents Obama and Clinton, Professor Charles Kupchan. He has a heated exchange with Afshin Rattansi on Russia vs NATO in Ukraine, the history of US & NATO wars in the global south, Seymour Hersh’s report that the US blew up the Nord Stream pipelines, his support for more arms supplies to Ukraine while supporting a negotiated end to the conflict, the birth of the multipolar world, and much more.

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