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Ex-NATO DSG: Macron wants a French-led, strong EU instead of NATO (E820)

On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to former NATO deputy secretary general Alessandro Minuto-Rizzo on the upcoming NATO summit in London. He is challenged by Afshin Rattansi on NATO nations’ wars on the Middle East, the claim NATO is a force for peace, why Macron called the NATO alliance brain dead, NATO’s response to the rise of a more powerful Russia and China, and more!

Next, we speak to Robert Bahar, director of the film ‘Silence of Others,’ which is about atrocities in Spain during the Franco era. He discusses the continuity of Franco’s dictatorship in modern Spain, how Franco’s regime shaped the Spanish state, Franco’s involvement in fascist eugenics programs, why many people in Spain don’t know the extent of the atrocities, and more!


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