‘Business as usual’ after NSA spying scandal
Harsh condemnations from Europe over reports of NSA spying on prominent EU leaders will do nothing to derail bilateral trade ties, former UN diplomat Lode Vanoost told RT. He says economic negotiations will remain on track as the media scandal dissipates.
RT:It looks like Europeans are making strong
statements there but when do you think they’ll start switching
from words to action?
Lode Vanoost: Well, of course the situation is quite
historic in its proportions - it’s scandalous. There’s nothing
comparable in recent history. So, what I’m saying is, so far my
guess is if history is any lesson on the EU, they will not take
any real measures. It will remain statements meant for public
opinion.
RT:Well, let’s take a look at the history of the
relationship regarding data protection, and EU data protection
specifically. All the measures were supposed to be launched two
years ago but were sort of prevented from happening by Washington
lobbies. So, will Brussels succeed this time?
LV: Well, if you say Brussels you should distinguish
between the European Commission and the European Parliament. The
European Parliament is certainly going to demand some strong
measures. They’re going to go back on propositions that they’ve
made in the past and they’re going to say ‘now this has to
change’. There is also talk about ending the SWIFT banking
agreement with the US incorporation on banking issues. On that
level, yes, they will do something. The whole matter is the
European Parliament is not the one that really decides – it’s the
European Commission. And there we already have a statement by
Karel De Gucht, the EU Commissioner on Trade, who says ‘no no, we
should go on with the negotiations – this new free trade
agreement. So what does that tell me? It tells me – just like I
said – that on the long term, in a few weeks, after the media
turns down the issue a bit, they will just go on – business as
usual. That is my expectation.
RT:Well, let’s take a look at Germany and France here,
who say they are determined to establish the so-called no-spy
agreement with the US before the end of the year. What do you
make of this? Do you see it as a sign of progress?
LV: No, absolutely not. What is this? You catch an ally
spying on you and you say ‘well we need a no-spy agreement’. No,
what you do, is you take measures, just like Brazil proposed on
the 24th September at the UN General Assembly. If they
really mean business, France and Germany, then they’ll say – ‘oh,
what Dilma Rousseff President of Brazil proposed on the 24th of
September – that’s good idea, these five principles of
having another kind of Internet’. Now, that is something that so
far they have not done yet. On the contrary, the statements made
by the Brazilian president have been downplayed entirely in the
western world.
RT:Well, how can any kind of scaling back and
cooperation really work taking into account that many EU
intelligence agencies collaborate closely with the NSA?
LV: Well the thing is of course when you collaborate, that
sort of presupposes equal partnership. I mean, it’s collaborating
with this huge partner on the other side. So it’s basically
having their assistant on the side, and, they use their
information. There’s another element there. The scandal is now
about what the US is doing but so far as I can tell, the European
number stays there – own intelligence agencies in my country – in
Belgium, in France and Germany – are also doing this kind of
spying. So, we have not seen the end of the scandal yet.
RT:Well, looking at the situation that we have here at
hand – as we can see the NSA leaks have upset a number of
European states and US allies. So where does that in Europe leave
the US?
LV: Well, the thing is the economic and political
dominance of the US is waning anyway, even before the scandal.
And what this is doing is even accelerating this process. I mean,
the US may be militarily ruler no. 1 in the world for many years
to come, but they are losing ground on the economic issues
everywhere. Their problem is not that they have been spying –
their problem is -as far as they see it – that they have been
caught at spying. That’s another matter altogether. The thing is
– why do they do that? Not to chase terrorists. They do that for
economic reasons. They want to know what Europe is going to do
towards the BRICS countries, towards Asia, towards Africa, they
are afraid that they are losing ground…if they see that the
Pacific trade agreement is not working out. So yes, they have a
big problem.
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