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High moral pit? Richard Sakwa, professor of Russian and European politics, University of Kent

Competing interests and power politics have existed ever since nation states came into being, spurring the development of diplomacy on the one hand, and fueling arms races on the other. But every now and then, especially in European politics, diplomats and generals get sidelined by demagogues who bank on portraying adversaries as not just geopolitical competitors, but moral degenerates or civilizational inferiors. Are we back to the era of unter and uber menschen in European affairs? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Richard Sakwa, professor of Russian and European politics at the University of Kent.