There is hardly anything more unsettling for a narcissist than meeting another narcissist and having their inflated egos collide. This clash of Titans, like in the Greek myth, is always long and bloody, but it’s also inevitable if one is to reach a just order or healing. Isn’t that exactly what we witnessed in the clash between the good America, infatuated by its exceptionalism, and the narcissist incarnate, Donald Trump? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Donald Kalsched, a renowned Jungian psychoanalyst and author of ‘Wrestling with our Angels: Inner and Outer Democracy in America under the Shadow of Donald Trump’.