On this episode of Going Underground, Afshin Rattansi speaks to economist Jeffrey Sachs. Sachs discusses the coronavirus pandemic, the Trump administration’s response to the pandemic and why he finds it disastrous, the success of China and New Zealand and comparatively poorer countries such as Vietnam against Covid-19. The conversation becomes heated as Rattansi confronts Sachs with allegations that he was an architect of Russia’s post-Soviet economic turmoil and Bolivia’s economic disaster via neoliberal shock therapy. But Sachs seeks to correct the record and vehemently denies being a supporter of mass privatization and free-market extremism.