On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to Prof. Ilan Pappe, author of ‘The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’ after Nakba Day. He discusses the historical significance of Nakba Day and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Zionist pro-Israel forces in 1948, the conflation of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, whether Israel is using coronavirus as an opportunity to further its attempts to annex the West Bank, why the Israeli blockade on Gaza is worse for Palestinians than Covid-19, the unity government of Benny Gantz and Benjamin Netanyahu, the lack of an opposing ideology against Likud, and more! Finally, we speak to Anatol Lieven, Orwell Prize-winning journalist and author of ‘Climate Change and the Nation State: The Realist Case.’ He argues why security policy today such as the Cold War in the South China Sea over Chinese fortifications of islands will be irrelevant in a few years thanks to climate change, how security policy is stuck in the past over Russia and other issues, the obsession of military establishments with a new Cold War, why nationalism is needed to rally action against climate change, the factor of energy security in the fight against climate change, and more!
