The line that we hear constantly throughout this pandemic is how it has exposed our systemic frailties and weaknesses. But would this have been the case if we’d prevented the financial sector from hollowing out the real economy and democracy itself? Host Ross Ashcroft is joined by the author of ‘The Ponzi Factor’, Tan Liu, and Emeritus Professor of Accounting Prem Sikka to discuss how we can use this crisis to reimagine society and prevent the biggest wealth grab in modern times.