‘Now it is impossible to defeat Syria’
Nadezhda Kevorkova has worked at RT since 2010, before which she was a special correspondent for ‘Novaya gazeta,’ ‘Nezavisimaya gazeta,’ and ‘Gazeta.’ Kevorkova has also worked extensively in Russian mass-media. As a war correspondent, she covered the Arab Spring, military and religious conflicts, and the anti-globalization movement. She has worked as a reporter in Egypt, Sudan, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Hungary, Greece, Turkey, Cuba, and in the republics of the North Caucasus, Tatarstan, and in the Far East. In 2001, after an invitation from US State Department, Kevorkova visited a number of states, including Alaska. As a correspondent of 'Gazeta' she reported from Indian settlements in the US. She covered the ‘Gaza Freedom Flotilla’ in 2008, 2010 and 2011; she also visited Gaza several times during the blockade. In 2010, Kevorkova was nominated for the ‘International Women of Courage’ award.
RT:What do you think about the situation in Syria? The
region is in chaos, are the rebels winning?
Amine Hotait: No, the US-Israeli plan has failed – they haven’t been able to move forward for two years. And now Russia has persuaded the US not to bomb Syria. Russia is one of the three winners in Syria, its Russia’s strategic victory. The winners are – Resistance (Hezbollah – RT), Iran, and BRICS as NATO’s opponent. And of course, Resistance inside Syria. Now all of us, who were there when this historic decision not to bomb Syria was made, live in a new era. The UN Resolution 2118 is the first document of the new world. So far we only see fragments of this new world. Obama’s talk with Rouhani is also a result of the victory in Syria. For three days they were discussing paragraph 21 in the UN Resolution, where it says that if Syria doesn’t comply with the decision to destroy all chemical weapons, measures stipulated in paragraph 7 will be used against it. I laughed at the authors. Anyone can get up and say something in the UN. They can talk about it all they want, but there will never be a decision to use force against Syria. Now it is impossible to defeat Syria.
RT:Obama said that the US would bomb Syria, the media
talk about the rebels uniting and winning…
AH: In the next months we will see the situation develop
in three aspects: clashes between the rebels, the army fighting
against the rebels, and international efforts. I don’t think the
Geneva summit will take place, because the conditions are not
right. You see, Resolution 2118 provides that talks must take
place between those who control the situation. What do we have
now? The people want a peaceful solution. Paragraph 7 (about
using force) has been moved far away, so it can’t be used.
Non-Syrians cannot decide on the future of Syria, so all
foreigners, i.e. over 100 military groups, will have to leave
Syria. The Syrian opposition is demoralized. As we see, the
rebels are more concerned with the issue of women, gender roles,
and money. They lost their position in Syrian society. So there
can’t be any rebel a representative in Geneva, there is no one to
transfer the power to.
RT:Do the rebels follow Hezbollah tactics?
AH: They have no tactics, they were successful only
because there were a lot of them, and they attacked vulnerable
places and used the army’s weaknesses.
If you remember, 700 soldiers defended the Minneg airport in
Aleppo for almost a year, they repelled 10 attacks. When 20,000
rebels gathered around the airport, the soldiers withdrew, and
the air force took over, the rebels lost 3,500 people, while the
soldiers – only 12. There are cases of treason. The rebels get
reports that there are no army soldiers in a certain place, and
attack the town. This is what happened in Maaloula – there was no
army there at all. The rebels were just killing civilians; there
was no one there to resist them. Officers have relatives among
the Takfiri. They might get money from the rebels, there might be
threats to the family – these things happen from time to time.
That’s all their success is based on.
If they had a military tactic in place, they would liberate Syria
half a year ago. Their army totalled 150,000, and they could have
prevailed over a 1.5 million army. 4,000 Hezbollah fighters
defeated 40,000 Israeli soldiers. These methods were incorporated
into the tactics of a ‘war of substitution’.
But the rebels don’t have a command, they don’t interact between
the groups, don’t plan out their actions in advance.
Their losses make up 40,000 people. They are helped by 28,000 foreign hirelings from 38 countries of the world.
RT:How do rebels get weapons?
AH: At first, weapons were smuggled through the Turkish
border, but 60 percent of supplies still went through Lebanon,
through Tripoli. Also, rebels got hold of guns when they captured
army depots. When they got control of the checkpoints on the
Turkish border, it because easier to get weapons from Turkey.
The north of Lebanon saw 18 violent clashes between Alawites and
Sunnis. Using the shootout as a disguise, weapons-loaded boats
were sent to rebels. They got mad when they lost Al-Qusayr. With
it, they lost their logistics.
Since then, there was no more war in Tripoli.
Then Saudi Arabia pressured Jordan, and it allowed the weapons to
flow through its territory. But Jordan cannot play the role of
Lebanon. They don’t want to get involved, they don’t want to side
with anyone. Up until now a significant part of arms supply went
through Turkey, so when Turkey blocked it, the rebels went
If the USA issues a command to finish the guerrilla campaign, the
war in Syria will be over within three months. The rebels don’t
have the people’s support or the resources to last more than
three months, which is why it’s not a civil war, but external
RT:How did the chemical weapons come up in all this?
Does Hezbollah or Hamas have chemical weapons?
AH: Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas has ever possessed
chemical weapons. It was used once against Hezbollah. Only two
countries in the region used chemical weapons – Israel used white
phosphorus against Lebanon in 2006, and Saddam Hussein used nerve
agents twice, against Iran and the Kurds. In the south, where the
gas attacks took place, it led to cancer incidence rate being
four times higher than average.
The US was going to carry out the same plan as with Iraq in 2003,
when it was accused of having chemical weapons and it had none.
Pinning the blame for using chemical weapons on the Syrian
government proved impossible.
All the information the Americans have about chemical weapons in
Syria came from Israel. It would benefit Israel to have the US
bomb 160 targets in Syrian territory – the targets that Israel
itself would point to. The US could have started the bombing, but
it knew our Resistance (Hezbollah – RT) was capable of
reiterating and bombing Israel. It would have led to big losses,
so it wasn’t a smart move. A ground operation was also an option,
but that would have been simply insane.
So a wise decision to destroy all chemical weapons in Syria was
made. Syria doesn’t need it – it can’t be used either against the
rebels or against Israel.
It’s in Syria’s interests to agree to this plan, because this would prevent the US from attacking and secure Russia’s promise to assist with the modern air defense technology.
RT:Could you comment on the use of chemical weapons
AH: The rebels made two mistakes. They did use chemical
weapons, but not in the place the bodies were in. People wouldn’t
be able to be there without protective clothing. It just looked
as if the children had been drugged – there were no signs of
vomit or chemical poisoning. Besides, the death toll estimates
vary too much: the first estimate was 120 victims, then 360. The
French claimed the death toll reached 500 people, and the
Americans said it was 1,300.
Russia knows the US is telling lies and is trying to dispel them.
When Mr Lavrov first accused Kerry of lying, he had nothing to
counter it with. (On September 2, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey
Lavrov said it was “strange” to hear the US Secretary of State
John Kerry say that “the American side had produced irrefutable
evidence for Russia of the Assad regime using chemical weapons” –
RT:From the military point of view, who are the Syrian
rebels? What tactics do they use?
AH: I’ve been studying this tactics since 2007. I call it
a proxy war – Israel uses a third party to fight Syria in order
to avoid getting involved directly. I anticipated this situation.
RT:Did you anticipate the events in Syria
AH: Not only in Syria, in other countries as well. It was
clear that Israel had been looking for new types of warfare. The
2006 Lebanon war showed that Israel couldn’t secure a quick
victory anymore, but a long campaign is also not an option –
Israel can’t maintain several fronts. In the future, Israel will
refrain from open warfare against the Arab world, barring
punitive measures against the Palestinians, and opt for proxy
RT:Could you describe the main parameters of this
AH: A proxy war is closely connected to igniting a civil
war between various social groups employing religious and
ethnical slogans. Such a war engulfs everything and drags
everyone in; it weakens the country, torn apart by artificial and
irresolvable conflict. That’s the idea – to pit the Sunni and the
Shia against each other across the entire region.
RT:Why did Syria become the focus of their
AH: Syria is the retaliation for Hezbollah’s victory in
2006, an attempt to cover the bitter taste of defeat that they
experienced for the first time. Having won, Hezbollah delayed
their plans for three years – Israel planned for the civil war in
Syria to start much earlier than that.
RT:As a result of the Syrian conflict, Lebanon has to
deal with enormous pressure in the form of refugees. How many are
AH: There are over 1,300,000 refugees total – about
350,000-400,000 Syrians in the south; 150,000 in Beirut and Saida
each; 25,000-30,000 in the Christian areas, and 350,000 in the
RT:Are there some refugee settlements that have it
better or worse than others?
AH: We can’t define with absolute certainty where it’s
better for refugees. People offer them a place in their homes,
but the Syrians don’t go where they’re not welcome. There are
only two places that don’t welcome them – Walid Jumblatt’s Druze
community and the Maronites in the north. There aren’t even five
thousand refugees living in the Druze community. The Druze
control the Ministry of Refugees, so they make a fortune off the
funds sent in from all over the world to help refugees. Life is
tough for refugees everywhere.
Nadezhda Kevorkova, RT
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