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Ukraine’s new take on Holodomor: Moscow’s not to blame

Published: 15 June, 2009, 17:50


The head of Ukraine’s security service has said that Holodomor, the mass famine of the early 1930s, was done by Ukrainian authorities of the time and has nothing to do with today’s Russia.

 
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Marazipan6 June 16, 2009, 10:02 quote
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The incidences of sleight-of-hand in this article are remarkable. First, the article states “Holodomor, the mass famine of the early 1930s…has nothing to do with today’s Russia.” No one has ever claimed that those events had something to do with today’s Russia. The claim is, that they were deliberately engineered by Soviet Moscow, and that it is indecent for today’s Russia, as the primary successor state of the Soviet Union, to deny this, and to avoid apologising for it. Just as the Federal Republic of Germany is not the Third Reich but as its successor the moral responsibility for atoning for Nazi crimes falls on it, so the Russian Federation is not the Soviet Union, but as its successor the moral responsibility for atoning for Soviet crimes falls on it. Secondly, the article states “Holodomor, the mass famine of the early 1930s, was done by Ukrainian authorities of the time…” Is anyone expected to believe that policies in Soviet Ukraine, regardless of whom they were carried out by, were formulated by anyone other than Soviet Moscow? The article continues in the same vein, “Declassified documents make it clear (that the perpetrators of the crime) were Ukrainian officials, members of the Ukrainian communist party and the repressive institutions existing in Ukraine at the time." So they were acting on their own behalf, with absolutely no control or direction whatever from Moscow? A most novel view, to put it mildly. Thirdly, this from the article: “Russia argues that the famine was caused by a combination of bad management, unfavourable weather and disastrous collectivization policies, which lead to the tragic events and cost numerous lives of many ethnic groups over several territories and not just Ukraine alone.” It fails to clarify the absolute obvious, however – the “disastrous collectivization policies” were the policies of Soviet Moscow, dreamed up by it, applied by it, and enforced by it. They were not the policies of Turkmenistan. While Moscow was nor responsible for the weather, it was responsible for administrational incompetence and fully responsible for the "disastrous collectivization policies" that it imposed. And fourthly, we often meet the astonishing “defence” from today's Russia that Moscow’s crimes against non-Russians are, by some unexplained magic, mitigated by the fact that Soviet Moscow also worked atrocities against Russians. No one has ever proposed the similarly outrageous equivalent defence of Nazi German crimes against Russia, for example, claiming that Nazis Germans are not guilty of atrocities against Russians because Nazis also committed atrocities against German citizens. If today’s Russia wants to establish normal relations with its neighbours from Japan to the Baltics to Poland to Ukraine to Georgia, it has to become a bit more serious and take a much more mature and realistic approach to Soviet-era crimes which Russians committed against their neighbours.

johnx June 16, 2009, 17:40 quote
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But the German people voted in Hitler Russia did not vote in Lenin or Stalin and was installed in a foreign coup used as a proxy force to spread Communism world wide just as the intelligence reports at the time said. Just like they used Afghanistan in 97 under the Taliban. And I would expect to see actual Russians mentioned at the forefront of these action like in the Holomodor here the top ranking officials who actually carried it out by Jews and Latvians a list comprised by Ukrainian Secret Service themselves and the foot soldiers was done by Ukrainian red army soldiers. . **** Russia will apologise when western powers and those who profited from supporting the Soviet regime The Federal Reserve, western banking firms Warburg, Schiff, Rothschild apologise and compensate Russia for supporting communism in Russia. Why don't they talk about this foreign influence and support which includes the media and think tanks for Communism?

Marzipan6 June 17, 2009, 11:17 quote
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Germans voting Hitler into office in 1933 was not a crime against humanity. Germans torturing, enslaving and killing people under Hitler were crimes against humanity. It is this that a post-Nazi Germany had to atone for if it was to salvage its self-respect, let alone the respect of its neighbours and of the world. Correspondingly, the Soviet Communist regime coming into power in Russia was not a crime against humanity, and no one has to particularly apologise for that. What so many Russians did both to fellow-Russians and to their neighbours under the Soviet regime were crimes against humanity, and it is this that a post-Soviet Russia has to atone for it is to salvage its self-respect, and the respect and trust of its neighbours. Those crimes extended well beyond just the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s. In neither the case of Germany nor Russia is a post-totalitarian apology contingent upon someone else somewhere else apologising for something else first. The crimes of German Nazism and Soviet Communism are so colossal and so repugnant as to beggar comparison with almost anything else. Post-Nazi Germany has atoned with honour, dignity and sincerity for its Nazi-era, and has shouldered personal responsibility for ensuring that totalitarianism can never return to its land. Post-Soviet Russia continues to duck and weave and excuse and justify itself. I have never even heard a single Russian leader or parliamentarian express what they, personally, have learned from their country’s Soviet experience, or what they, personally, have committed themselves to do to ensure that totalitarianism can never return to their country. This is not surprising, seeing as there is such enthusiasm amongst Russians to instead explain how everything was always someone else’s fault all along. Nor have I heard a single one of them express even simple human condolence to the Baltic victims of the Soviet-era savagery that was visited upon them overwhelmingly by Russians. This is a long way short of apology, yet even that has not happened. What has happened, though, is that historical archives in Moscow that detail the oppression of the Baltics and of Eastern Europe has been placed under lock and key, and made unavailable to researchers. I guess it is easier to accuse Russia’s neighbours of “re-writing history” if relevant historical archives are kept from everyone.

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