Russia lashes out at Finland over kidnapping
Published: 15 May, 2009, 17:20
Edited: 19 February, 2010, 18:29
Moscow has filed a formal complaint to Helsinki after Finland's consulate general in St. Petersburg helped a Finnish citizen take his son out of Russia against both the will of his Russian mother and the law.
Some facts of the case even though I doubt these get published: 1) The boy has been Finnish from his birth. 2) The father has been the single parent of the boy by court order. The mother is not a legitimate caretaker. 3) The mother kidnapped the boy in March 2008 and transferred him to Russia, hid him for more than a year and refused any contacts. 4) The mother had boy´s citizenship changed to Russían in just one day (wow!) but by Russian court order this was later cancelled. Russian court has admitted that the father is the only caretaker of the child. 5) Russian federation has refused from signing any international treaties concerning child kidnapping. There is also no such treaty between Finland and Russia. 6) The father had all legitimate rights to get his son back where ever he wants as soon as he could find him. 7) The Russian customs officials co-operated with the father in the case and were well aware of the legal details. So, in fact there is no doubt a criminal in this case, and it is the biological mother who is no caretaker and kidnapped the child against all international civilized laws. The woman should be imprisoned if she ever gets to Finland (I am sure Russia will do nothing to punish her). Foreign minister Lavrov should publish an apology for the father and foreign minister Stubb, and preferably organize a medal for the Finnish embassy general.
How about stating the fact that the boy was a Finnish citizen and was first kidnapped to Russia by his mother after a Finnish court had given full custody to the father. Another fact is that the boy had spent his whole life in Finland which was his home country. He only got his Russian citizenship after the mother had applied for it after kidnapping him to Russia.
The boy was a finnish citizen and earlier illegally kidnapped from Finland to Russia by mother. So the officer helped the justice to happen. The father had the right by the justice. So I am sorry but the officer did a GREAT THING!!!
Actually it is Russia which is supporting kidnapping by not joining the internation agreements which have been made for this kind of situations
The contrast between this story as it has been presented by Russian media and officialdom on the one hand, and the actual facts of the matter as presented by several preceding posts and as also verified by international media sources, illustrates a fundamental difference in mind-set between Russia and the wider world. No matter what specific issue may arise, it seems Russia’s intuitive approach is mostly based on exaggerated notions of national offence or of endangered national security. Events surrounding a little child trigger such responses in the case of Russia and Finland; events involving a brass statue triggered similar responses in the case of Russia and Estonia. This cannot be considered normal.
And the simplest fact of all, you can't fix illegality, with an illegal kinapping. You need to use the courts! It is as simple as that, two wrongs never make a right! So the Fins doing a bit of kidnapping is wrong, regardless of the motives! It is Illegal and it is as simple as that. The ones who try to justify one bit of illegality, because of another, are arguing to return to the Jungle. This may be ok in Finland and the EU, but it is not acceptable in law abiding civil society. So stop being criminals Finland and stop supporting other illegality like tiorture with a jungle mantra.
What is this torture accusation about? If you want to talk about torture, why won´t you start with Chechnya?
@Tihonov What about about supporting terrorist groups and the so called "moderate" regime who perform the worst sort of torture skinning people alive aqnd videotaping it, kidnapping children and cutting of there index finger for ransom, ethnic cleansing, massacres accompanied with black propaganda just like they did with the Serbs and using Grozny as a base to launch terror attacks and a haven for organised crime they there would be no need for torture. Or this terrorist regime in Kosovo.
CountCash advises that the courts should have been used. They were, CountCash. My understanding is that a Russian court rescinded the child's Russian citizenship, but the court then failed to appropriately record its decision. As a result, Russian officials at Finnish border had no record of the court decision, and refused the child permission to cross. When you have a court system that's incompetent, those relying on it tend to be let down.
Count Cash, the only possible "illegality" may have been the father's outdated visa. As the father and the only legitimate caretaker he can travel where ever and when ever he wants to. The biological mother has no legal rights to oppose this. When father found his son, he simply traveled away with him. Travelling is not illegal in Russia, is it? Seeking justice from courts in Russia is a kind of bizarre sense of humor. Justice is for sale in Russian courts and that is why the fathers all cases in Russia were first won, the delayed, then cancelled, then won again, then delayedm then cancelled. Russian legal system is prone to corruption at every level and especially for foreigners the prices are way too high for ordinary people. All bureaucrats, all police officers, all customs officers, all legal officials can be bought.
I am glad at least some people can at least undertsand the illegality. The law is straightforward - to cross the Russian Federation Border without hinderance, you need a valid registered visa, plus notarised paperwork showing that the individual crossing has the pre-requisit sole rights for the child. You breach this and you are acting illegaly. Its not a difficult concept to understand. States should not act illegaly, and certainly shouldn't be proud of it. The Russian courts argument, is a silly one, on one hand it is argued that the Russian courts acted properly in rescinding the nationality, on the other they are not competent to decide on nationality. No lets sum up the real position of Finland, every thing that we can politically justify, is allowed, regardless of its illegality. The standard EU jungle mantra.Keep singing it, you are believing the hymn.
I'm sure the case of the outdated visa will be handled properly and justice will be served (fines will be payed). But no other illegalities have occured, so that will be the final outcome of this case. The father travelled to a friendly neighbour country, with the help from local officials he found his son who had been kidnapped and travelled back with him. The prosecution against the woman who had illegaly kidnapped this boy will definately be set. I trust that Russian legal system will help the Finnish authorities in this process. The same woman also abandoned her other child in Finland when kidnapping this young one. I'm not sure what kind of a mother abandons her own child in an unfamiliar country. It is possible that this case will also be investigated.
In today's Finnish media it is revealed that Russian Embassy in Helsinki helped the mother to escape with the kidnapped child by allowing a visa for the child with a faked signature from the father. The visa should never have been admitted without the father's approval. So, the first two illegal actions in this case were: 1) the biological mother kidnapped the child and 2) Russian embassy workers who participated in the faked visa approval.
From the process point of view the case is clear. Mother kidnapped the boy, and father took him back despite of unwillingness. So the problem is not leagal but instead mental. Anton is now at home, case is closed. Isak
Some illegal acts were taken.. I agree. That's not uncommon in this kind of Mother-child-father cases.. We'll see what happens next :)
It looks like all comments are from Finnish people. People should not forget that Paavo is not what he tells. he treated his ex-wife poorly, he didn't respect her because of her original nationality and religion. He actually didn't care about his son until he heard that he was taken in Russia. This man kidnapped Anton from his mother using force and assistance and now he is in all junk magazines telling that he saved Anton from starvation and death. What kind of man will do this? I say that his stories (most of them are made up) make Finnish people hate Russians even more. He knows that so called Finland vs. Russia news are quite sensations in Finland in which people have always hated Russians. This is not officially proved but it is like that, just like Finnish people have always hated Russian orthodox. It's not quite easy to live in that country for a Russian. Another good example is hockey. Russia won 2009 hockey championship and there were only negative opinions about that in forums. What does this all tell about Finnish people? It tells that Finnish hate all what concerns Russia except if Russia falls...
Are you sure? hate is a strong expression.. There is a few things which I hate. Russia is not one of them
Russia has low birth rate and high mortality rate amongst it population. Russia has a declining population, and child mortality rate is over 70%. thus the reports are forbidden for publication. Of the children born and live to be adults, the regular use of drugs and alcohal renders most males in Russia unable to father children. Russia has passed a hiden law allowing any child to be taken in to Russia and be made in to Russian citizen, even if non of the parents are Russian. Russian law states a child born to a Rusian woman, anywhere in the world is a Russian citizen at point of birth. Such a child can be taken to Russia with no travel documents as long as the mother has his apostlised birth certificate, The child becomes Russian citizen and taking such child out is considerd kidnapping . Russia used LAW to commit crime. LAW in Russia is CRIME, Russia law = Law of Criminals IF YOU ARE A VICTIME OF RUSSIAN LAW, BE AWARE THESE SITS ARE MONITORD BY THE RUSSIAN SO CALLED LAW .
Such subjective views on everything is what the tabloids thrive on. Everyone really should find out the facts from both sides and not just believe whatever the papers say in either country. Not all finns hate russians and I doubt all russians hate finns either. Emotional thing like this will, for a lot of people, bring up all sorts of repressed feelings. Still, I'd wish for everyone not lash out at each other like this.










Of course there is no problem, one day the Fins are supporting torture, along with the rest of the EU, the next they are helping with a spot of kidnapping. All in a days work for the Fins and the EU.