It is too bad that the authorities involved have not recognized that marriage was and is a good thing even for the priests. Celibacy´ is not a biblical doctrine and Roman Church has pushed its interpretation beyond its biblical roots.

When ever communities bow down to worship anything someone gets something unexpected up their rectum. What do you expect from acts that dissolve completely human critical faculties. It doesn't matter if the golden calf that is worshiped is sacred or profane. It is the act of collective submission that opens the gates to abuse.

You have priests from your folks. Even priests are evil when it is evil where they come from. It is a problem of western civilization, not catholicism itself. I really wonder why nobody writes anything about other churches´ ´spiritual´people, when one wife just isnt enough- pretty common, isnt it? Although I am not a theologian, I believe celibacy came from apostles- to have the church as a family, to serve. The problem today is...to sacrifice. If you dont want to sacrifice an easy life, then dont become a priest. The problem is, when everyone is evil, what can you expect? Holy people from evil in a blink of a second or what? People today dont want to serve but to rule. It is not catholic church. It is the west. East including Russia with its liberalism tries to decay itself, not knowing about it much. Liberal means to be modern and modern means to be decayed from the inside. Do everything you can, for yourSELF. Youre pointing in the wrong direction if you want to accuse the church of evils. Accuse the american everyday propaganda, this is what decays people who had no faith anyway. I do have faith and I am a catholic, there are some problems, but its not that were not trying to be good. Anti-catholic propaganda wont help you making good relations with people. You remind me of communists, all they wanted was atheism for everyone. Now atheism flows from the US. It doesnt mean US is so called christian, when everything that pours from there is simply evil brainwash many think about as modern etcetera. Even though the times change, values remain. If they change you no longer believe in those values, even if youre no matter what. You lose: Hope, Love, Faith. Then you become one of those who lived their lives, but chose the easy broad way leading to hell. Youre totally misinterpreting the church as doing everything evil against orthodox, even if it was not written here. When communists wiped orthodoxy from Russia, why dont you write of them? How many thousands of priests they murdered? It seems you have hatred for the catholic church. It is not what catholic wants: Catholicism isnt western church. Westerners have their sects. It is not Polish church. Katholikos means universal in Greek language if Im right. Its not about nationality. You wont believe that, Im sure. Love your neighbor as you do yourself. Its not about being selfish. People forgot the power of real prayer. When westerners never confess, never expect them to be catholics, theyre only on paper. How many in Russia actually are orthodox? How many of them ever goes to church? Is it not in decadence? Or everyone of them is so insightful that they know it means good for them and that its not about: Hey Im Russian (Slavic), that means Im orthodox, even thugh I can see the church only from outside. Or better: I even go to church, sing, say a prayer and when I leave the church, everything good of me remains there, as I live and go to church because my ancestors were orthodox. I have no idea why I am going, its all because they taught me to. Traditionalist faith is weak. I hope even the RT atheist folks (there are certainly who are and hate catholicism, because, well, its ´the west´) It will take a while of years to understand were not evil. If somebody uses religion as his cause for his imperial ambitions, he´s not worth being catholic and even isnt, because catholicism doesnt have anything to do with imperialism. If someone in hierarchy is wrong, then he´s wrong, its not that I agree with everyone because of being a catholic. I dont hate anybody orthodox. I hate western imperialism, which spreads its ideology of consumerism- Purest evil so far. Biden so -called catholic is nothing more than a usual evil american political scum. Being a catholic means to behave and believe according to the faith, not opposite. Opposite means hypocrite worth burning after the harvest...

Good words Tomas, indeed! I am Catholic priest (for 5 years now) and I can say sincerely to you that I dont have such "problems" (and mortal sins worthy of damnation if not really being "abandoned for good" - sorry I cant remember precise word) for being a priest was my vocation as far as I remember and according to what I was told by my parents it was to be so even before I was born. Its a call from God ant thats it. Not everybody can be a Champion of ice hockey (Congratulations to Russian Team, I did hope they win!), not everybody can be better chess player than best computers, not everybody... you understand me. Its a talent, it is a gift everything good what we got but with all good things comes responsibility and when its missing than gifts turn to be curses. For example to be able to taste a food is a gift to be happy while eating but without responsibility a man get weight and lot of problems connected with it and being able to taste food becomes more curse than gift. The same is with sexuality - gift or curse, its up to own choosing. Problem is when somebody wants us to follow their choosing - commercials, propaganda, promises but real aim are money, political power just exact opposite to free offer made by Jesus who wants no money in return for He paid by His life (not easy death as you know), all He wants is trust. We are weak, but in our weaknesess (if we acknowledge them) He becomes strong in us and then we are strong against temptations, falsehood, lies. When anyone has such experience he cant be ruined by some unfortunately real but still "just" human failures. I believe that this course of world will continue for some time of bullying itself but suddenly as we (Slovaks) have saying: Padla kosa na kameň - A scythe has hit the stone (and got broken) time of awakening will come though for dear prize as usually in history happened. I wish all of you to have real piece in your hearth (soul) and with such piece to fulfill your own vocations which will be your source of joy and self-realization as I do though aint saing "yet" (kidding though its primary and global vocation for every "image of God"). I am sorry for people who have such horrific experience but it isnt a rule for no man can ruin what God made though God has plenty of time to solve what we failed, Satan wants us to believe his is a victor. Thats the reason why Jesus wants us to trust Him. So I do. It was an honor to read your thoughts. (I wish let they will be influenced by own exp. than by media.)

Is child sex abuse by priest a crime against humanity? 5000 priest have been creditability accused of sex abuse in the US. Incarcerated pedophiles admit to an average of 200 victims each. This simple math would suggest that their are over 100,000 child sex abuse victims from catholic priest in the us. This does not include the Baptist the Jews the Muslim or just you’re every day non church going pedophile. I am just wondering how many people you have to hurt before it becomes a “crime against humanity” Seems like I read about world man hunts for people responsible for 20,000 deaths or less. You can put a leader of a county on trail at the “world court at the hague” for killing a few thousand people. The Vatican is like a county. The pope has his own police, army, and laws, just like a country. Why is the pope not held accountable for the actions of his soldiers, just like a president, when it can be shown that the army acted as an approved practice of state policy? Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Irish Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse (CICA) http://www.childabusecommission.com/rpt/pdfs/CICA-VOL3-07.pdf Witnesses reported being introduced to a strict regime from the moment of their arrival in the School. We were met by Br ...X... he ruled the roost, he told us about the rules, said if we ran away there was severe punishment, the second time our head would be shaved and the third time we would be sent to ...named School.... He then stripped us off, told us to bend over the desk; he hit the desk with a leather strap and said, “Say the Our Father”. I could not say it. He hit me across the legs and warned me not to step out of line. He told us to get in the shower, cold water, “to scrub away your sins”, with carbolic soap. He then left and came back with clothes, comb ... he hit me with the strap when I had the clothes on because I should be in pyjamas. We went to the dormitory, the boys were asleep, he said, “This will always be your bed unless you wet the bed, then you will end up with the smellies with Mr ...Y...”. It was dark, there was no food. I was very upset and frightened. Then that night Mr ...Y... came walking down with his walking stick, he touched my penis with the stick and said, “Don’t ever let me catch you”. Later I could hear kids crying as he lashed kids with a stick, getting them up for the toilet. That was my first night in ...named School.... If you turned up late ... he ...(Br X)... used to do an inspection, if there was a speck of dirt, that would trigger it off. He used a leather, hand, cane on the legs, hand, arse or wherever ...(he)... had a temper, you would be black and blue, you would be on the floor. He used to make you take your trousers down and he would give it to you on the behind or wherever, he did it to me a few times. You wouldn’t do anything because he had a whistle and he would call other Brothers and they would weigh in, when these guys got going you would do nothing, if they couldn’t get you one way they would get you the other, kick, hit, you were knackered. • He ...(Br X)... flogged me one time, I was working in the piggery. I used to be starving, the pigs used to get the Brothers’ leftovers and one day there was lovely potatoes and I took some and I took a turnip. Br ...X... caught me and he brought me up to the dormitory, he let down my trousers and he lashed me. He always wore a leather, around 18 inches ...(long)... and it was all stitched with wax, his leather was very thin. It was about an inch and a half, others had leathers about 2 inches. He lashed me, he flogged me. Twenty three (23) witnesses described injuries to their genitalia as a result of being kicked or flogged. Eighteen (18) witnesses described being hosed with cold water or having cold water thrown on them prior to, or in the course of a severe beating. A witness gave the following account of a severe beating when he was found in the company of co-residents who had been talking to some girls visiting their brothers in the School: Br ...X... met the boys coming up from talking to the girls, he sent them down to the washroom, he told me to go too, but I wasn’t with them. He told the 3 of us to get into bathing togs. He went out and got the leather strap, like the cut-throat razor, he came in, took off his coat and his collar and I never in all my life seen anything like what he done. He started beating us, saying we were talking to the girls ... he took off his shirt ... he didn’t beat me so much as the others. One of the lads started soiling themselves, he beat them so much, grabbing himself saying, “I’ll give ye girls”, rubbing himself. One of the lads was in bits, they were in a terrible state. Circumstances of sexual abuse Sexual abuse was reported to have occurred mainly in private and occasionally in the company of other residents and staff members. Witnesses reported being sexually abused in many locations, including: dormitories, sleeping quarters and offices of staff members, cloakrooms, churches, sacristies, classrooms, workshops, kitchens, infirmaries, showers, toilets, outside sheds and farm buildings, fields, recreation areas, motor vehicles, private homes, commercial premises, and other off-site locations. Witnesses stated that particular\areas of activity such as kitchens, farmyards, infirmaries and music rooms provided opportunities for staff members to isolate residents without fear of disturbance. Sexual abuse was also reported to occur off-site when residents were taken out of the institution for holidays, outings or work placements, by individuals who sexually abused them. Witnesses reported that sexual abuse was often preceded by physical violence that they believed was intended as an intimidating threat. Others described receiving special attention and experiencing friendly encounters over periods of time that they welcomed, as many of them experienced no other kindness or affection, an example of which is described below: One night I was lying in bed and I was woke up by ...(Br X)... he said “I’m not going to harm you or anything, don’t be afraid”. At that time I thought he just wanted to chat, I thought it was a normal thing. The next thing he sat on my bed, he said “don’t be afraid, I’m not going to hit you”. The next thing he took hold of my hand, put my hand on his privates, I took my hand away and with that he slapped me, he slapped me quite a few times and I was crying and he left. He came back later, he opened his trousers and took my hand and put it on his privates, out of total fear I obeyed. He instructed me in what to do and that amounted to masturbation and that continued over the time I was there. Witnesses repeatedly stated that co-residents who had no family contact were the most common victims of sexual abuse. They referred to these co-residents as orphans and ‘conventers’ and many witnesses remarked that they considered themselves lucky not to be selected for sexual abuse. There were 2 different types of boys, the outsiders who had parents and the orphans. The orphans were always on the lookout for danger, learning to survive. They had no one to look out for them. It was a constant struggle to survive, you would make no eye contact, you would keep your eyes down in order to avoid punishment. You were thinking “there’s no way out”. You blamed yourself. Anytime he got the opportunity he got access, he ...(Br X)... used to masturbate himself over me and make me do the same to him. It stared when I was 10 and a half or 11 and it went on ’til I was 14. He used to swamp me with gifts, sweets, money. He said it was our secret. He stopped me going to my godparents, he was afraid I would tell. It was mainly the orphans who were abused bad, they had no one to turn to. I had no one. I was 2 years there before I ever went out. There was no one to tell. Violence There were 88 witness reports of sexual abuse and associated physical violence, 15 of these reports related to one School. Many of the reports heard were of witnesses being beaten while their abusers masturbated, or of the witnesses being beaten on their bare buttocks while they were held against the abusers’ genitals. Witnesses described physical abuse perpetrated in the context of sexual abuse as serving to both enforce compliance with the sexual assault and as a means of securing the silence of the witness concerned. Witnesses who reported being sexually abused, including being anally raped, named Brothers about whom the Committee heard a number of reports of sexual abuse: He was a very bad man, a very dirty man, he used to keep me back after school and do things to me, not very nice things. He used to lock the doors and put books up against the window, tell me to take off my clothes. He touched me, made me touch him, then beat me so that I wouldn’t tell anyone. He made me clean up after him. He hurt me very badly, forced himself on me. Then, when you’d go to school next day you’d wonder who is it going to be today? ... Other boys were kept back too. • Br ...X... came and pulled me from my bed into his bedroom, he turned his wireless up to full volume and said “take that nightshirt off, you can scream now as much as you like, you little bastard”. He masturbated himself with his left hand while he was hitting me with his strap.... He just brought the strap down on me and kicked me with his boots on, that is all he was wearing.... He threatened that if I told anyone the same would happen again. • One particular morning he ...(Br X)... put me up against the wall because I was left handed, he put me hands up against the wall like that ...indicated arms stretched above head... he started flogging me with the leather strap. This particular session I lost all control and soiled myself, he took me by the ear straight out, around to the showers. He wanted me to strip off and get into the shower, the water was freezing. ... It’s very hard for me to tell this ... but I want to tell it anyway ... I was crouched down in the corner, he grabbed me by the hair into the cubicle, dragged me up off the floor, on the lats you know, lats for the seats and he buggered me again, and told me to shut up, I was screaming, I was in sheer pain you know. He had done it before in my bed and he made me bleed, he tore the skin you know. It could be once a week and then he mightn’t come near you for a month. It lasted for all the years I was there. Sexual abuse associated with violence was also reported to be accompanied at times by serious threats of physical harm, including risk to life, for the perceived purpose of instilling fear and enforcing compliance. For example, witnesses reported being threatened that if they ever told anyone what happened to them they would be ‘drowned in the slurry pit’, ‘sent to a worse place’, ‘killed’ or in one instance, ‘cut up and buried in a bag in the bog’. This latter threat was issued by a lay ancillary worker who the witness reported challenged him with a knife.Witnesses reported being beaten or exposed to harsh treatment by co-residents in advance of sexual abuse episodes and made frequent reports of severe beatings culminating in a violent sexual assault. The damage that they, boys, done to boys was unbelievable, what was going on. They ...(co-residents)... were after beating them so much ... they were beaten and beaten until they done it ...(sexual abuse).... They were beaten into submission. Abuse by more than one person There were 16 witness accounts of sexual abuse being perpetrated by more than one religious staff simultaneously, generally in association with physical assault. Witnesses described being sexually abused over a period of time by a number of Brothers who also severely physically abused. Some witnesses believed that they were subsequently abused by other Brothers who became aware that they were the victims of ongoing abuse. The reports refer to six separate Schools, with 11 witness reports made in relation to two of those Schools. Sexual abuse associated with severe physical violence involving more than one staff member was generally reported as having occurred at night. Witnesses reported being taken from their beds and brought to staff members’ bedrooms, bathrooms or other areas, where they were abused by two or more Brothers and/or priests. In relation to one School, four witnesses gave detailed accounts of sexual abuse, including rape in all instances, by two or more Brothers and on one occasion along with an older resident. A witness from the second School, from which there were several reports, described being raped by three Brothers: ‘I was brought to the infirmary...they held me over the bed, they were animals....They penetrated me, I was bleeding’. Another witness reported he was abused twice weekly on particular days by two Brothers in the toilets off the dormitory: One Brother kept watch while the other abused me ...(sexually)... then they changed over. Every time it ended with a severe beating. When I told the priest in Confession, he called me a liar. I never spoke about it again. • I would have to go into his ...(Br X’s)... room every time he wanted. You’d get a hiding if you didn’t, and he’d make me do it ...(masturbate)... to him. One night I didn’t ...(masturbate him)... and there was another Brother there who held me down and they hit me with a hurley and they burst my fingers ...displayed scar.... Grooming and inducements Witnesses reported that sexual abuse was frequently preceded by the abuser’s attempts to Win their trust by expressing concern for their welfare or giving them small treats such as Comic books, extra blankets, chocolates or fruit. ‘On your birthday you got a bottle of orange but you would have to ... you had to go up to the Brother and sit on their lap....’ Witnesses also reported being taken away from the School for outings and being sexually abused while they were out.This Brother used to follow the band around, Br ...X... introduced me to him. He wasn’t from our School, he was a fully fledged Brother from another School. He got friendly with me, over friendly you know, he used to take me out. He took me to ...named town... he told them ...(Brothers)... he was going to stay with his sister. He booked us into a hotel, and he touched me and things, rubbing and kissing me, he assaulted me, he did not have anal sex. I did not know anything about sex. I felt I had done something wrong. ... I went to Confession about it and the priest said “don’t worry about it” and he gave me a prayer to say as penance. I thought he would do something about it, you know, that he would put a stop to it, but nothing happened. • Br ...X... he had a kind way with him and you would be kinda looked after, if other Brothers were at you he would have a go at them. ... One day he called me into this little room ... he was saying to me “you are doing very well here, you are really coming along very well”. After a while he said “you are such a good looking boy you know, I have plans for you, we are going on a trip...”.. I thought “Well, he was just being nice”. ... Well after a while he took my hand and he placed it on his private parts you know, so he said to me “don’t be afraid”, things like that and at the same time I was shaking, and as he was talking he kept on rubbing my hand up and down his privates. The next thing was, he was opening his buttons, his trousers, you know ... and he told me to ...crying... take down my trousers ...crying...witness described anal rape.... A number of witnesses reported being sexually abused while working in the kitchens where access to extra food served as an inducement, prior to being sexually abused. The kitchen was identified as a location for sexual abuse due to its relative isolation from the rest of the School.As previously reported the kitchens in some Schools were described as the domain of a particular Brother with few intrusions by either staff or residents. was sexually abused by a Brother, he used to fondle me, he used to masturbate himself over me, it happened mainly when I was helping in the kitchen, in a room at the back. The sexual abuse always happened outside the sight of everybody. Staff whose sleeping quarters were adjacent to the dormitories were reported to employ various excuses for having residents in their rooms. Witnesses reported being sent to the priests’ or Brothers’ rooms to light fires, make beds, tidy up or clean the rooms. At times witnesses reported being invited to listen to the radio or music in a Brother or priest’s bedroom as a special treat. At other times, witnesses remarked that their expressed interest in some topic or sport provided the Brother or priest with the opportunity to engage them on an individual basis, as a prelude to inappropriate sexual contact. I was playing basketball one day and Br ...X... came over to me and said to me, says he “I have some sweets for you upstairs...”. ...(He told me)... to come up to his room. I genuinely thought I was going to get some sweets. He went into his room and came out naked, he told me take off my clothes, he rubbed some oil on me and he buggered me, I was in a bad way after that. He took me into his room and locked the door, and it was oral sex and all of that. ... I don’t like talking about it. Witnesses reported that in some Schools residents who were selected for sexual abuse by religious staff at times received special treatment. A number of witnesses who were sexually abused described being known as ‘specials’ of a staff member and reported that being selected as ‘special’ protected them from physical abuse, to some extent. They described the associated disadvantages attached to this position, particularly being isolated from their peer group whom they believed did not understand the price they were paying for perceived privileges. A small number of witnesses in such circumstances acknowledged having conflicted feelings about being sexually abused, especially in situations where the sexual abuse was not associated with violence. Br ...X... he was brutal, he was a pig. ... They would call him a paedophile nowadays, he had his favourites, we called them “oh that’s so and so’s ...(pet)...”. He ...(Br X)... would be holding this little fella’s hand and that kinda thing. I was not sexually abused, I’d be telling a lie if I said I was, but I saw them. Voyeurism and other non-contact abuse Witnesses described as sexually abusive the manner in which certain staff members supervised the areas of personal care. The practice of communal showering and bathing was reported as commonplace and not in itself abusive. However witnesses reported lone male staff staring at residents as they showered and subjecting them to intrusive examinations of their genitalia and other body parts. Reports of such violations of personal privacy were frequently accompanied by reports of physical abuse and subsequent sexual assault, including rape, in the shower areas. Three (3) witnesses reported being watched by a Brother as he masturbated while they showered. Other witnesses described Brothers examining their bodies with particular attention to their genital area on the pretext of inspecting if they had washed thoroughly in the shower. A further form of voyeurism was reported by three witnesses who were forced to spar naked in the boxing ring while being watched by a number of Brothers and visiting clergy. Fifteen (15) witnesses reported being questioned and interrogated in different ways about their sexual activity and awareness of sexual matters. Witnesses from two Schools reported that these interrogations were conducted in a methodical manner and focused on sexual activity between residents. Residents and witnesses were subsequently punished as a result of what was told. Witnesses from two Schools also described being required to keep a diary of their sexual thoughts that they had to give one of the Brothers to read and that they were then questioned about. Witnesses described being distressed by the interventions and that ‘you never knew what they wanted’. Other witnesses reported being questioned about their contact with girls or boys prior to admission or during holidays that they believed was, at times, a means of determining how susceptible they may be to allowing sexually inappropriate behaviour. Such interrogations were also described as opportunities for inappropriate sexual talk. He ...(Br X)... came into the recreation hall one night and said “come here a minute” and brought me up to his room. He started talking about something and then he started on sex, he started talking about sex. He asked me “have you ever had sex with a girl?” I said “no”, he kept at me and at me saying “you did, you did, come on tell me the truth...”. He threatened and he said “I’ll bring up Br ...Y...”. He was real evil ... sometimes you couldn’t sit down you, would be so sore after a beating. So I said to myself I’ll have to say yes. So I said “yes”, and he said “how do you do it?” and I haven’t a clue....

Alex, I agree with you but there was no need to go into so much (scary and disgusting) details... The time has come to sue the catholic church for ALL its crimes against humanity. 1. Pedophile priests. 2. Cooperated with USA and its puppet Nazi-dictators in S. America. 3. Cooperated with fascists and Nazis. 4. Burned books and scientists as ... magicians and for about a millenium blocked any progress. They also destroyed knowledge known to us from the ancient times. 5. Mass murders and looting during the "crusades". 6. Deceit, because they teach LIES, proven as lies by the science, to take money or to control people. There is no evil sect that damaged humanity so much as the catholic church. To tell the truth, #4 applies also to the orthodox church.

I suggest this abuse problem springs becuase from societies are capable of being repressive and unjust. Where an organisation offers itself as an institution of resistance to this, as an only hope, as an escape, then opportunities for corruption and perversion abound - whether the alternative organisation is a political party, business, art centre, church, religious institution, military organisation or whatever. The crucial factor is the lack of an alternative secure base for the threatened individual - as the testimonies ("there was no escape" etc) show. The nurturing of a healthy family life and civic base would reduce or end the abuses, but how can we secure such a base of affection on a wider scale? To make people's self-esteem and security depend on love (= Catholic Charity), when there is so little of it, may well be an ineffectual gesture, it certainly seems so from these reports. Perhaps we need to organise or encourage more pluralism - I mean a range of competing, different validating institutions - so that indivduals can seek alternative havens when distressed within one.

davidperi Marriage is far from always a good thing, certainly for priests: in the churches here that allow it, we have a crisis of clerical marriage because of the strain imposed by parish duties on the wife. Single men are a mobile army for the Church Militant, able to serve anywhere and to sacrifice themselves free of family cares. So don't think marriage solves these sex problems, and most certainly not problems of abuse and philandering and bisexual conduct!

Evil is in everyone of us, indeed we are a duality where good and bad are in a permanent battle, and the Catholic Church seem to be an appropriate place for the gathering. False, hypocrite, criminal, deceiving, murderous, inside they have all the "sins" that so vehemently they declare to condemn. Unfortunately so many people in the world still take them for what the C.C is not, and the same is valid for other churches and religions.

The affair of child abuse in Roman Catholic Church (RCC) is a thinly veiled all round systematic series of attacks against the Church, even war, that has been going on for years now. It is mostly visible through hysterically skewed accounts in mass media with multiple goals -- ruining the RCC, its name and institutions, but also sullying the name of Christianity in general. The campaign has yielded solid results in this respect, but also in financial terms, by bancrupting whole dieceses (in USA, for example). Negative sentiments towards RCC in the East are understendable given the history of forcefull spread of Latin influence. (Roman Catholicism in Ireland stands as a grand exception to the history of RCC in other parts of the world, as the RCC in Ireland experienced truly a martyr's fate under English rule). This may not be too obvious, but it seems that the time has come that Christians who are in no way friendly towards the RCC should think twice before helping in any way its further undermining. It is the increased militant atheisam and spread of totalitarian policies in the West (both US and Western Eu.) who are behind this onslought on RCC under the pretext of child abuse (a despicable crime, indeed). It is next to impossible to believe that the goal in this sordid affair is the redress for the victims of abuse. No, the ultimate goal seems to be far beyond and above -- destruction of the Christian heritage and Christianity as whole. (BTW, I am not a Roman Catholic).

It would be simpler to advice people to stop practicing ANY religion. Religion is a concept created by the few, for the benefit of the few, to control the masses.