Sexploitation protests in Kiev
Published: 31 July, 2008, 15:52
Edited: 09 September, 2009, 01:00
Ukrainian girls have taken to Kiev’s main square to protest against what they call a spree of sex tourism flowing into the country. Eager to draw public attention they choose sexy clothes and performed scenes depicting p
I am well connected to Ukraine and may have some advice for you. been there 8 times on business. There are two or more sides to this story. Many women in Ukraine PLAY American guys that are ACTUALLY looking for an OLD FASIONED wife and find out later that she has ten others competing for a NO at the end of the deal. Then there are these GUYS from the states that are only there for ONE reason. Solve the scammers there, pay attention to WHO goes to Ukraine and WHY and then keep an eye on the fellow. If he gets THREE bad reports from any gals, then he can be deleted as an inbount traveler for a year or more. many ways. THIS IS NOT THE BIG PROBLEM. The fact is, most girls taken are from Europeans. I have seen them in several countries without a passport. Stuck there because someone offered them a good job. NOT. Then they had to pay bills, Gee, no money.
This problem goes back, I estimate a hundred thousand years? Is it a real problem today. depends on the cultural realities. E.,T Hall says societies are insane, and cultures are psychotic. Is that us? YES I think it is. We are insane and psychotic. now that the internet lets us display it we are bombarded by that and it will grow as more people get on and learn to write English. I am guilty of answering blogs and wonder how crazy that means I am? Yet the hormones are kicking men as well as women when least expected. Who is going to judge us? Some low libido woman/ man a judge, one who gets a kickback for sending boys to private jails, a prosecutor who prosecutes prostitutes and uses his credit card at the call girl ring? What about the boys who get sold to ride horse races?
I have been looking to meet a nice Ukrainian woman for marraige. Had no idea it was this hard to find someone truly wanting to get married. How ever,in my search & on T.V. I saw a special on Slave Trafficing. As a father of 2 beautiful girls (And even if I wasn't) This sickens me to think that this is going on. How can the Ukrainian Goverment let this happen? How can ANTONE do such a thing to such young girls? On the T.V. show they say they are prostituting girls as young as 11 & 12. And how can so many Governments treat this young women as criminals & deport them. They Need & Should recieve ALL the help we can give them. I only wish I could do some thing to help. Good Luck & God Bless Danny
I see all the comments, I went there to meet what I thought was someone in the internet, to find later that the person I met.. which was real was not the person I was speaking to. Sadly I was being fleeced and set up for a kidnapping - ransome or worse . I wised up to see what was really going on 8 hours away . We left from Kharkiv and wound up in the center of Kiev overnight 8 hours later... to a set of apartments with jail cell doors. ..thats the short version. Just had to put it out there. BEWARE if you go. The police wont help you- they are paid by the criminals. Ukraines are mostly good people and know several here in my city, but there are some that are ruthless as Nazis and life has no value but a price tag. They will leave you lying face down in a heart beat and not think twice about it.
i agree with the comments but a lot of these girls bring this on themselves with cheap internet scams i myself have been scammed three times with women from kiev maybe its time these people are stopped there must be decent women in kiev
To Mboswell 3 times is your fault. I know Ukraine houses some of the most beautiful girls in the world but stay out of that area. Have these girls checked out by a PI before . Russian detective .com out of Texas is a good start. I checked mine out and still got in trouble. Your lucky your here to talk about it after 3 times. Try looking here in the US for a Ukraine or Russian girl, that way your not at risk of having to do the support documents or youll really get screwed. I found a very nice Russian lady here from Moscow with unspoiled European values.It cant be any better.
Private guy, you said,"I found a very nice Russian lady here from Moscow with unspoiled European values.It cant be any better." I would like to do this a well. Remember the starfish story? Thousands of starfish were washed up on the beach and a man was picking them up one at a time and throwing them back in the ocean. A bystander said,"your just waisting your time". The man picks up one more and says,"this one is glad I am waisting my time". I am a good guy and I would like to save one (faithful marriage). One at a time is better than none. Help comments to johnyates@knology.net
Why are you looking for women in Ukraine or Russia? Don't you have enough in America? How can you be so egoistic and think only about yourself ? Of course, it's good for you! Why don't you think for a second what you do to this woman? Taking her from her home, from her culture, from her habits, from her people, from her life. And you think you and your country are so good that can replace her all this? YOu are wrong! and Egoists! You might say that's her choice? Not really. Very often, those are young women that think it is a paradise over ocean, but often it is the opposite. I watched a movie the other day "American tears of Russian wives". Very sad. Of course, there are some happy cases, or "ok" cases. Because not even that woman wants to admit her life went wrong. She tries to settle and to move on. As for you guys, of course, you are HAPPY: home, safe, comfortable with beautiful, with values wife, usually much younger than you. She is the one, who unprotected. She has only you and nobody else to go. So perfect for you! She just has to choice. And you can completely satisfy your ego. I am 100% against all this. I am sure most of those women this like this, but then it is too late, it is impossible to return to previous life, it's cut, and they settle for whatever it is. But it is gonna change. Hey, whoever of you married or is going to marry an Urainian or Russian, treat them nice, with love and respect. Because those women ARE the best. And you are very lucky to have one of them.
I'm original from Romania ,also I had studied Russian for 6 years.I have been in Ukraine , a few times... What is happen today in former Russia is unique in the World. Because of Internet ,there a new bussines came up''Mariage agencies... Just look and see ,maybe 75%of them are divorce... Most of them are married for papers...and because of financial situation.... But it's not smart to marry with a guy or women who is divorce twice or more .... I had a terrible experience with a girl (doctor) ...) I don't want nobody to have,such a terrible experience... #1 Make sure she never been married....if she hold papaer or second citizenship the chance for her to been married before is more than 90% !. My advice for westerns is ''Watch Out '' with russian girls , they can be more tricky ,and faithlesss then western girls... Don't subestimate or over estimate them...In a sinngle word I found Russian women , very complex, with a missconcept about western life especial USA...They like party...and easy life ...and if it's possible , the man to obey her desire, request....in a single way a woman man !. If you are looking for a serious relations...Than is better to marry with somebody wich you know her !. But if you want a lifelast relation, don't look on Internet for her...Looking for her in the Church. We are living today in a very immoral world...And the Internet and these Marriage agencies Just help to spread the Immorality even more. I seee these girls ''Victims of the Easy Life Dream '' Many , I can say most of them had destroy many lives and many western destroy their lives lieing them or give them a false immpresions. But many of them left poison and bitterness in many hearts over former Russia's border. I woulld like so much God to give to Russia women a Christian mind and heart !.
lena and vasil... I no longer wish to HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH AMERICAN WOMEN. European women have a certain characteristic that american women cant comprehend. I agree with both of you and your ideals. life in westrn society can be misleading and very hard if you dont know customs and culture and is thoughtless for one to import a wife and not care or help her to adapt. IT IS DIFFICULT to import a wife so is it to import a wild animal and keep it out of its surroundings. My girl now just finished a divorce with her x husband that signed the immigration papers He brought her her and kept her from learning anything and may as well kept her in a cage away from everything. He abused her and she could only come back to him. Then she learned the ways of things here and her rights and divorced him. Her home and friends are still in Russia and that will never change. We met and pretty much changed her mind she was not going to go back to her home. I helped her and her duaghter w surgery and am thankfull I was there able to help. Its not all bad with a foreign girl but much patience and understanding. Things that are ez for us are different and difficult for them and you ned to be there to help thru this or leads to frustration and unhappiness
Russian girls are beatiful and have good character in may cases too good for the western man. But I would like to point out that " WHAT CAN YOU OFFER HER IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BE HER FATHER" if you bank balance is not big enough forget it. Go for someone more suitable for your age. They don't want to have an avarege life they can have that in Ukraine.
a life lesson. I met a girl on a top rated russian womens dating site abotu this time last year. everything was going well at first. and she was always acusing me of talking to other women. so I asked her how many guys she talk to on the site. she said a few. which probably meant 15 or 20 guys. maybe more. and I like ta never got that out of her. that took place 2 months after we started writting letter. so soon after she told me that. she sent me a letter telling me she had to reply for all guys that were in her mail box. but, she really wanted to write to me. after reading that. my next thoughts were. I am just a guy on a list of guys she had to write to.. which killed any trust I had in her. or believeing that my efforts were going to help. and after that. she continued to send me letters wanting to know why I wouldn't talk to her.. geeeee! I wonder why. so I sent her a letter telling her that I no longer wanted to hear from her. she wouldn't leave me alone. so i contacted the site explaining the what was going on and asking them to block her from contacting me. they told me that she could delete the letter and I needed to tell her that I no longer wanted to talk to her. things from that point on got really bad for me.. she wouldn't leave me alone. and i had no way to block her.. so i eventually left the site. she was making the whole experience bad for me. thankfully I didn't spend $1000's of dollars just to get let down in another country. treated like crap on a russian womens dating web site was bad enough. so for me. the women there. can do just that. stay there... and to some point I completely agree with part of what everyone is saying on this post. I have another story to tell. this the most uncomon of stories. but it rings completely true. about 2 years ago. my neighbors went to sweeden and brought her 80 year old mother back to america. thinking it would be best. My nieghbors like many americans were broke. and it took the about 3 years to save the money to go to sweeden. so they brought the 80 year old woman to america. she didn't speak a word of english. didn't know any one other then her duaghter. so she could only talk to her. over the year her mother lived here. I found a way to communicate with her. and she told me that she wanted to go home. she didn't hate america. she just hated how her duaghter and son-n-law were treating her. and come to find out from out the mother sold everything off in sweeden to come here.. so she had alot of money. her duaghter milked her for every penny she had. then sent her back to sweeden flat broke with no home. they treated her more like a prisoner and a bank. then they did an actual person. I felt so bad for that old lady. the old lady told me she always wanted to visit america. I lived miles out in the country of north florida. there was nothing around and it was 6 miles to the nearest town. and as you can well imagine. there is nothing to do near by. i wrote that to write this. her duaghter never took her any where. they would leave her at home all the time. and once I offered to take her mother with me to the north west. a 2 week trip across america. I drive a truck for a living. so the trip would have been alot of fun for her. being able to see america. and seeing that america is more then a sandy old dirt road in florida.. her daughter wouldn't allow it. nope don't want her to go. the old lady had no visa. they put it in her head that the cops were bad in america. and if they caught her. they would put her into prison. I never in my whole life seen anyone treated so bad. not abusive physically. but mentally. so every time i came in off the truck I would always find little things that i new the 80 year old woman would like. and when I put her on the plane in orlando last year. I gave her my address in her language. telling her once she got settled to send me her address so I could send her interesting things from america. to share with her friends. and the old lady is doing fine in sweeden. I here from her all the time.. and I hope that this story about bring people from other country is like. and how hard it is to get through daily life in a new world. with very limited help.. and just as the american or western men wonder. if she is only using him for citizen ship. she wonders if the horror stories she has heard about western men. will come true in her marriage or life.
I have just been reading some of the comments regarding exploitation of young women of Ukraine and Russia. This is all pretty much new to me but it causing me a great deal of concern and I'm very disturbed by it. I have recently begun corresponding over the internet via a live cam site with a young Unkrainian woman. Could someone please provide me with more information on these practices? Thank you.
As I look at all of your comments I wonder waht goes through peoples minds, do they even think through waht they want , need or how they go about getting it. I want most of you to know that the scams on the internet dont always origionate from Russia or the Ukraine. I have researchd this and spent alot of time in Eastern europe and russia.. alot of the scams come from right here in the US, yes their are some in the Ukraine and yes there are alot of shady agencies but what do you expect if you are shopping for a girl like you do your meat or veggies in a supermarket? The Girls in Russia, eastern Europe or anywhere else in the world are Different in the sence of Family and tradition, not so spoiled as the girls in the US. However people are people and you have good and bad in every culture. If yoru so intent on having a wife from one of these countries then I suggest you do as I did and learn the culture, Understand the way of life and try and understand the people. These People are proud and honerable , good a nd decent and only want a life that they can be hapy in. Just like everyone else in the world. Most are simple and dont demand much in life except a man that will care for them , a good family and a decent life. I married a girl from Moldova. She is wonderful, honest , open and truly a wonder. I think if youwant to understand these women and really find one that is right for you , go to the country live visit and understand who you are tring to marry .. I want everyone to understand the tragedy of the trafficing in humans in all the countries and how it destroys lives and innocent women, how good and bad exhist in all countries and cultures. and how thes girls just want a decent life.. I often wonder how this trade can go on in a modern society and only one reason comes to mind and that is it is profitable, huge amounts of money is made and the problem is that if there was no demand there would be no need for supply. corruption and greed in all of the governments and police forces continues to help businesses like this flourish and all we can do is help all we can.. if you have any information or know of this going on contact interpol get involved and help... even if its only one girl... and men can help by keeping it in there pants and stop going to Prostitutes.. get a decent wife and stop making this business profitable.. any girl tht needs help can contacr me and Ill do my best to get here the information she needs about here in the US, laws , immagration or just questions so they dont fall victim to these trafficers.. Girls remember check out any offers, do not go anywhere alone always go places with friends.. Trafficers dont like dealing with numbers of girls. it is the sam rules if you do want to risk rape.. stay away from bad places, be careful of who you trust.. if your offered a job overseas check out the company let people know where your going and who your with.. dont give them the opportunity to take you.. hope everyone thinks and does what is right...
Hi I am going to Lutsk, in a few days. I met a girl on line, Sveta who seems to have an idea of what she wants and what I want. I only want a girl that wants to be love till I die and to be loved in return. She has been married and has a child. This is fine with me even if I am 57 and she is 22. I know what you are thinking and what does it matter about age. I have a daughter that is 26 and she married a guy younger than her and he started out great but looks just like other guys that only think about what they want frist. I am an X cop of 20 years and now I am really ready to have that someone whois looking for someone to care for her. Sveta seems to be just what I want, a girlthat only wants someone to love her and her daughter and does not care about how much money I have or will get.
I have been to Ukraine and spent over 6 weeks in out of the way places adopting my son and daughter...and I CRINGE to think what have happened to my daughter in the wasteland that is theirs when girls (and boys) age out of the orphanage system.
Guys, I can't believe that many of you are so desperate. I agree that Russian and Ukranian girls are beautiful. I like all Slavic girls as I am Slav too.. However, I will never understand why does someone from America or UK search girls across the ocean??? Don't you have got nice looking girls in your countries? All of them are bad? I think you do have , but it seems that something is wrong with your psyche. Instead of searching those dating sites, please search a professional help. I was 100 times in UK and I would never think about searching an alternative for handsome British leggy woman
unfortunately it is a true problem. One of my friends that's a CEO of a major corporation talks frequently of his buddies that take their private jets over to ukraine and russia on sex cruises. It seems to me that whomever is in charge of organizing these should be held responsible, because my understanding there is a party in ukraine that is responsible for organizing these trips.
I have made friends with a Ukrainian woman who tells me that she wants to be my wife couse it is very bad for girls in Ukraine and like her self many other women would do the same, yes I do know that there is sex trade but they own people from Ukraine who is organied this and brought them to UK ,so the problem is with people of Ukraine who sell poor girls in UK for sex , that has to stop and the goverment of Ukraine knows of the problem, so why are they not doing anything, sad my heart crys at time, couse I do love my Ukrainian Friend and feel how can anyone do this to another human and yes I will marry her and love her till I die.
I would like to participate in any way possible! This is a pervasive problem that is victimizing countless women and needs to be stopped. I am in the process of setting up a non profit organization to combat is horrendous issue of human trafficking. The crimes against these women are some of the most heinous and we need to build a coheisve group of organization and individuals in order to combat it properly. I would love to speak to anyone or organization involved in combating this problem and possible team up with an organization. I will be traveling overseas next month and can me in person. Thanks again, Neal