Poland planned destruction of USSR
Published: 01 September, 2009, 15:04
Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service has published documents revealing the pre-WWII Polish leadership’s plans for the partition and subsequent annihilation of the Soviet Union, informs RIA Novosti news agency.
So the Soviet Union stopped the evil Poles in their tracks! Well thats all I can say is, well done to the fact that the Soviets stopped them! The dirty laundry is coming out now. If you don't wan't the dirt coming out, don't play with the bin! The Poles were well used to colonial ambitions. Sore losers the Poles and laughable. If they win then all is well, if they loose then there is a problem. They make perfect western hypocrits, Poles apart form the truth!
Of course! USSR didn`t plan destruction of Poland at all! The plan was to send cakes and biscuts for hungry children :). Acutally it was Soviet Russia first in 1919 who wanted to take the flame of bolshevik revolution to Europe over Poland`s dead corpse - and there was no resignation till 1939 when Stalin joined Hitler in partition of Poland - this is the FACT.
Yeah Poland, Georgia & Zimbabwe were planning destruction of USSR.True story. How can anyone take seriously this NKWD bulls***?! "Lev Sotskov believes that the reason for the falsification of history on the state level in RUSSIA has direct connections with his belief that RUSSIA helped Nazi Germany to start WWII." Fixed :P
This kind of rubbish i heard last time in Prague in 1968...
What a true facts coming out! I read also"Heated debates as WWII commemorated" about Baltic states policy...! It proofs(once more) that all of those states(West-Ukraine,Poland and Baltics) policy was in nazi line long time before everithing start..yet they look for Russia "sorry"! Stalin done a huge mistake-to let you live nazi human ****! You are the worse kind then nazi Germany! Stalin mistake shall be corected...Its all clear now...
I take interest in history, topics like this get me fired up, so my comment may seen a little big, but here i go. To Marzipan6: A "conjecture" is something you say before you put 400 pages of solid proof on the table. That's what this article is about - there's a new pack of *documents* released to the public. Think of it. You just said something similar to "whether or not Al Qaeda 'was a threat to US' is conjecture. That the US attacked Al Qaeda is fact.". No it's not a conjecture anymore, yes, the Poland as a separate state ceased to exist for 6 years, a fact, what's your point? What these documents may or may not do - is change the perception of these events by international community. To from Poland: So what, you refuse to even think these documents are genuine? If they're fake, we'll find out in no time - i believe a lot of historians will take interest in these papers now that they're released. It's nearly impossible to create that big piece of solid-looking pro-Russian propaganda, in my opinion, even if Russian Intelligence was stupid enough to risk it's reputation, but whatever. I mean, it's clear enough why Germans occupied their part of Poland - they had their ideology - they wanted their "Lebensraum", factories, military production lines, and resources for future offensive wars. And Russia - huh? Until now it went like this - Stalin is a bad guy, right? - So he made an agreement with another bad guy - Hitler. - What do you mean what for? - Well the sick bastard wanted more communist slaves or something, or world communist revolution, i dunno. So there were a lot of theories (conjectures) up to Stalin's plans on Russian invasion in Europe. Maybe these docs will shed some light on the events, maybe no. Personally i hope they make people saying "Stalin equals Hitler" look a little more stupid and undereducated.
How the falsifiers of history hate the truth when they see it! Their hatred of the Soviet Union ( which translates into hatred of communism) blinds their eyes. They forget that Poland was one of many Capitalist nations which invaded the new Bolshevik republic in 1920. They forget that Poland took a large chunk of Russia (150 miles beyond the Curzon line) and refused to restore it back to the USSR. They forget that Poland was a dictatorship ruled by reactionary unelected Colonels who would rather sell their souls to the Nazis than accept Red Army assistance to defend their country. They forget that the virulently anti Russian Polish leader, Colonel Pilsudki signed a non aggression pact with Hitler in 1935. They forget that the Polish Colonels assured Hitler that they would not interfere with the invasion of Czechoslovakia in return for a slice of Czech territory. They forget the the Polish government tore up its non-aggression pact with Czechoslovakia in 1937. They conveniently forget that on Sept 21st 1938 the Polish government demanded that the Czech government cede Polish speaking areas of Czechoslovakia to Poland or else they would invade. The Polish Ambassador told the French Ambassador in Moscow that Czechoslovakia would sooner or later "collapse like a pack of cards". Are these the actions of a country that represented freedom? The right wing Polish reactionaries were as much the enemy of the people as the fascists.
@M6 Prometheus is not a conjecture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism @from Poland I always thought it was Polish who started the war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Kiev_Offensive
So that’s were Brezinski got his idea from. Actually he's following the Operation Blue tactic. Would be interesting to see the info released, who were the spies, etc. I hope David Irving comments on it on his website. @Marzipan6 FACT Europe, Japan and the US destroyed Russia in 1917. FACT EU, US Turkey, Saudi Arabia and there vassal states in the Middle East destroyed Yugoslavia FACT EU, US Turkey, Saudi Arabia and there vassal states in the Middle East are planning to Balkanise Russia. FACT The mastermind behind it and father of international terrorism is Polish Zbignew Brezinski and his family clan.
Parallax If You cite wikipedia You should begin right from the start: **** jnn I actually would find pretty strange if polish authorities didnt seek a way to dissolve USSR - it was their main enemy right from the start. Poland had opportunity to join anticomintern pact (I think in 1934/1935) but resigned - there is pretty much evidence about those talks, and I am really suprised that they are treated as a major revelation. Hitler seek potetntial allies in all over the world - he thought about Poland but ultimately he allied with USSR. count cash Yes - and USSR didn`t plan to attack Poland at all :). And what You wrote about winners and losers - the same goes to Russia and USSR I remind You.
I am a VERY close relative of a pre-WWII Polish officer who told me that Poland would have done just about anything to destroy Czarist OR communist Russia.... either one!! And the Orthodox Church as well! My relative was captured by German army in 1939, suffered as a POW in 2 different concentration camps, the last one being Auchwitz. He was finally liberated by Russian troops as the Soviet Army pushed westward into Poland. His opinion of Russians started to change from the day he entered into Auschwitz and saw the Russians POWs suffer just as he did or WORSE. He confessed his opinion really changed for the better when the Soviet Army liberated him and he was allowed to go home. Then he came to the USA to be with other relatives.
No wonder the USSR put a cummunist gov. in poland.Since Poland wanted to destroy the Russian as a State.The got a little bit of their on medicine!Because up to this day(09/01/09)Japan,and,Germany has been occupided by the USA with multiples military bases and doctine.Meybe,(THE FORMER USSR SHOULD HAS DONE THE SAME)
Why does the West always portray Poland as the victim? Poland was once a powerful empire in Europe,albeit a short time in History, and has a deep rooted obsession to restore its self-imagined importance/role in European and Russian affairs. Open up a history book, and yes you will read that Russia partitioned Poland, put down rebellions,but you can also read how whenever Russia was weak, busy fighting a war, or had inner turmoil, Poland would invade. They captured Moscow in 1620, followed Napoleon in his invasion with 100,000 troops, invaded the Ukraine during the Russian Civil War. My Father lived in Warsaw before the outbreak of the war, Polish leaders,newspapers, intellectuals, down to the man in the street were openly talking about easily defeating Germany in the upcoming war,then for good measure defeating the U.S.S.R., what arrogance. Marzipan 6, Poland not only planned the destruction of Russian/U.S.S.R., but they tried . And if there is conflict in Russia again, Poland will be the first to move Eastward again.
History is so sanitized from the Western perspective as to be comical. The fact is Hitler was financed and helped to power by powerful political factions in the United States (including Prescott Bush) and in Britain. The idea was for Hitler to attack the USSR and for the two to bleed each other white. Stalin pulled a fast one by signing a non-aggression pact with Hitler, hence the partition of Poland. For Stalin this was an essential act, for had the Germans attacked the USSR in 1939, the outcome of the war would have been different. Britain or the USA would certainly have taken similiar actions if their national survival was at stake,with no regards for Polish sovereignty. The duplicity of Great Powers is endless - how many people remember that Britain was on the verge of bombing the oil fields of Baku with bombers painted in Nazi colors before June of 1941 ? How many know of the treachery of Churchill's Operation Unthinkable - the sneak attack on the USSR utilizing British, American, Canadian, and Werhmacht divisions planned for 1945 ? The only thing that stopped Churchill was the resistance of Roosevelt and the fact that his own strategists suggested the likely outcome of such an attack would be the destruction of the British, American, and German divisions by the 3 to 1 numerically superior Red Army.
A fact is also that Poland has this nagging tendency to serve the interests of Russia's enemies. Just in the XX century they aligned a number of times with those looking to destroy Russia (USSR is just an excuse. The real aim is Russia): Slicing a big chunk of the former Russian Empire in Ukraine, an agreement to slice up Czechoslovakia with Hitler and his other dominions and the most recent example of stupidity is the installation of the rockets in Poland to defend "America from Iran's (!!!) missiles" which is the biggest load of BS ever invented. Do they really think people are stupid?! History, unfortunately, repeats itself because many in Europe and across the seas fail to learn from it. Poland's leadership is always only too happy to be at service to the Mother Goose that lives in the Big Boot, the English, or most recently the Brzezinski cowboys who have always had the one final goal, the conquest of the Great Russian landmass!!! Sick!
Is it just a "conjecture" that Poland signed a pact with Hitler? And Poland, having a pact with Britain is also a "conjecture"? And after Hitler marched into Poland, and Britain announced war, what exactly was Soviet Union to do then? Sit and sip tea, and just wait? I do not know sometimes why on earth are ordinary folks (I presume majority of people commenting on this site) so ideologically smitten by the notion of Poland being a good guy with a white hat. There is no such thing. But if you do not want the dirt coming out, it would be wise to stop playing with the trash! Poland in 1938 was an ambitious state! Having found itself on the border with a Soviet Union, it became geopolitically "hot" property, and Poland was cashing in. It thought it was the center of the known universe. Germany, Britain, Soviet Union, Vatican --- all were playing big time geopolitical games, and Poland was playing in the big league. Hitler's deal with Stalin was a very, very, paifull reminder that small fry should not tango with the wolfes. Today, instead of learning something from the painfull history, Poland is playing big time geopolitics --- again. Poland is remembering everything, and is learning nothing! This time, there is EU, US, Russia and Vatican in the mix. The more the merrier! Again, the same whiff of anti-orthodox hatred, along with the good old fashioned ambition to matter in this new world order. The center of New Europe! Many countries were destroyed by Hitler, and remained under the Nazi control till the end of war. I do not see how is the destruction of Poland that much different. When allied powers bombed Belgrade in 1945 to fight Hitler on that front, that was the "destruction" of Yugoslavia? Why not equate Allied Forces with Hitler. After all, he bombed Belgrade in 1941, while the Brits did it in 1945? I
Yes the Polish were working hard with the British to bring destruction to the SU. They were enabled by the Munich pact to realise their Czechoslovakian amibitions, then the British were further helping with the Paris operation, where the Poles were setting up the terrorist operations to operate in Ukraine the Cucuses and Asia. Poland wanted to crush the SU. The SU managed through invasion of Poland to deal with the immediate polish aggressor and also prepare for the future Nazi Agrressor. Smart moves!
I see that You all are really angry that Poland is not Your "near abroad" puppet goverment anymore. You can pull a card that Poland is a US puppet now but seriously - being under US puppetdom if so is much, much better than under russian puppetdom - just compare Poland and Belarus to see. I think this is the main reason of Your anger - all Your old soviet allies ran away from You, away from both military and economic pacts and want to have nothing to do with Russia. They choose US, EU and NATO over You, faster that You could even notice - Your threats and sanctions couldnt stop that process. All of You are pretty excited that Poland wanted to destroy SU - well in the same way SU wanted to destroy Poland, as Tsarist Russia before, and as Polish Commonwealth even sooner. There is nothing abnormal in this situation that neighbours had wars with each other. Poland isnt a country of saints the same as Russia isnt - this is a discussion if Hitler - Stalin pact can be justified or not. It is the only difference between Poland nad Russia now - all other cases are closed and resolved. Nowadays russian historians try to justify this pact as a way of bleaching soviet history, looking for enemies and showing that they were not that bad. Now get this - Your prime minister apologized for this pact, and everything is clear now, You dont need to justify it anymore.
RTCBJ Poland had soviet bases on its territory - we kicked Your troops out and over my dead body they will arrive here again. Alexis I see no point of Poland moving eastwards - there is nothing there interesting for us. Alann Poland is a sovereign country and we can do what we want on our own soil - if we want to have american AMD, or american nukes in our airbases it is our thing. Bianca There is no anti-orthodox hatred in Poland, this is the second biggest religious minority in Poland, and as a minority actually this religion has bigger priviledges than the catholic church. Poland is the center of "New Europe" because of its size, population and economy - not that we really wanted. I see that seing Poland being a bit ambitious is a pain for You - of course it would be better if we were Your puppet state again right?










Whether or not Poland "planned the destruction of the USSR" is conjecture. That the USSR destroyed Poland is fact.