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“Why would big USSR want tiny Finland?” The Winter War remembered

Published: 30 November, 2009, 11:21
Edited: 21 June, 2010, 06:16


It was a war one of the sides involved would rather forget, while the other fights to keep the memory alive. Finns are commemorating the 70th anniversary of the start of the Winter War against the Soviet Union.

 
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Marzipan6 November 30, 2009, 11:37 quote
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When RT is finally able to bring itself to discuss in similarly candid and honest terms two Soviet invasions of the Baltics, the first in 1940 at about the same time as Moscow was attacking Finland, and the other in 1944, and the bhalf-century occupation which followed, we will know that things in Russia are changing. It took about 30 years for Moscow to reconcile itself to the loss of Finland, but it is now able to respect is a genuinely soverein nation. Moscow doesn't seem to have yet reconciled itself to the loss of the Baltics. Perhaps another 20 years or so may do the trick.

Count Cash November 30, 2009, 12:08 quote
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But the Finns were not the Baltic Nazis, they were not totally immersed with relish in the Nazi cause. Worse the Estonian Nazis continue today with theri Nazi agenda. The baltics are irrelevent, but they will never find peace with Russia while they glorify their Nazi past and present, and do not face up to theri Nazi past. Russia does not tolerate the Baltic lie, it never will!

Count Cash November 30, 2009, 12:08 quote
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But the Finns were not the Baltic Nazis, they were not totally immersed with relish in the Nazi cause. Worse the Estonian Nazis continue today with theri Nazi agenda. The baltics are irrelevent, but they will never find peace with Russia while they glorify their Nazi past and present, and do not face up to theri Nazi past. Russia does not tolerate the Baltic lie, it never will!

Count Cash November 30, 2009, 12:09 quote
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But the Finns were not the Baltic Nazis, they were not totally immersed with relish in the Nazi cause. Worse the Estonian Nazis continue today with theri Nazi agenda. The baltics are irrelevent, but they will never find peace with Russia while they glorify their Nazi past and present, and do not face up to theri Nazi past. Russia does not tolerate the Baltic lie, it never will!

Astraea November 30, 2009, 12:11 quote
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As a believer in Russia, and I hope I am right for the sake of the entire World, I am relieved whenever I see Russia admitting to the mistakes of the USSR. I want Russia to be on good terms with all her neighbors, especially the Ukraine perhaps because of the Holodomor, but really with all of them so that there is no threat from the West through any of them. Russia will have to face up to what was done to places like the Ukraine by those who were in control, and in totalitarian control, in Russia. There were hardly any actual Russians in control, totalitarian control, in the USSR. People in Russia should be reading the last book by the great Solzenytsin called "Two Hundred Years Together." asap. What happened to Ukraine and others cannot just be buried and forgotten. It has to be faced honestly so that the terrible suffering can be assuaged and healed, for all the people of Eastern Europe and to the South of Russia. I believe in the integrity of Putin and Medvedev and Lavrov, and I think it will be done - painful as it will be for everyone concerned.

Bianca November 30, 2009, 18:19 quote
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Marzipan6, no matter how much factual data anybody throws at you, you just keep on happily peddling the same stuff. You know, I know and everybody should know what prompted Soviet Union's war with Finland. Finland was starting a proxy war on behalf of Hitler, probing Soviet defenses in the Gulf of Finland. Hitler walked through Europe with ease, and the elites of the continental Europe accepted Hitler's rule without a hitch. And everybody knew that Hitler's march to the East was inevitable. Now, in Baltics and other Hitler's allied countries, a collective amnesia is a preferred way of looking at things. Soviet Union had to repel Finland's forrays into its air space. Finland continued to be Hitler's ally until Churchill issued AN ULTIMATUM: withdraw from proxy war, or face a declaration of war from Britain. It is then that Finland made a pro-allied choice in WWII. Is there anyone surprised over Soviet actions against Finland? Only those who are still in denial over their role in WWII. And this is a space that Estonia and Baltics still inhabit. Unable to accept their role in pro-Hitler's alliance, they are still seeking explanations for their WWII choice. And in their muddled thinking, Soviet Union's brutal figh against Hitler and proxies explains their temporary alliance with Nazism. This is denial 101. Everybody was brutal in that war, no exceptions. Finland, just like Germany, are friends with Russia today. They accepted their past, and moved on. While Baltics are still trying to find excuses for figthing under Hiter's banner by accusing Russia for that "episode". And as it is already clear, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Russia have moved ahead with Nord Stream, leaving confused Baltics behind. Baltics and particularly Estonia, will keep on with their histrionics, not trusted by either former allies or enemies.

Marzipan6 November 30, 2009, 19:05 quote
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For the sake of wanting to justify Soviet aggression, Bianca invents a world of her own. May she be happy in it.

Pauline December 01, 2009, 00:25 quote
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This article is absurd. Stalin took Finland because he could not let Hitler have it. It is insane to claim otherwise. In those days, in that neighborhood, it was only a matter of time when you would have to choose sides. This was an awful situation, and millions were hurt or slaughtered. Everyone with a lick of sense knew since Spain here would be a world war...Stalin knew it very well. These were all tactical maneuvers to buy time. I fear we are heading into another such situation, only it will be like World War I, with no good guys at all, just war mongering corporations turning us all into cannon fodder when they are not working us to death. Only this time we will destroy oursleves in a nuclear winter.

steelneck December 01, 2009, 00:40 quote
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@Marzipan6: Yes, it may have taken 30 years for Moscow to reconcile itself to the loss of Finland, but it takes two to tango (something the finns are good at). Now apply that on the baltics. Moscow will never ease up as long as the baltics do not do the same, and of course the other way around is just as true also, it do takes two to tango. What Russia needs, and the rest of the world too, is truly neutral states around Russia, truly neutral with a lot of spine and integrity. Not a pack of NATO puppets collecting "weapons of mass destruction" around Russias borders, that is a dangerous coward and reckless behaviour.

Marzipan6 December 01, 2009, 10:50 quote
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Steelneck, you write “Yes, it may have taken 30 years for Moscow to reconcile itself to the loss of Finland, but it takes two to tango (something the finns are good at). Now apply that on the baltics. Moscow will never ease up as long as the baltics do not do the same…” If you specify for us exactly what it is that you expect the Baltics to do, and what it is that you think they have thus far not done, I’ll be glad to comment. As it is, your own comments are too abstract for me to answer meaningfully.

marko December 01, 2009, 23:36 quote
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Under what rock does Bianca live? You can even write pretty good English so searching some facts can't be that difficult? You are happily mixing cause and effect in some very strange mix. This was one of the very rare examples of Russia Today's news stories that aren't just Russian propaganda. Thank you for that. And Finns will start to trust that Russians really are for peace and good relations with the neighbours when the occupied areas of Karelia including Viipuri is returned back to this side of the border.

alann December 04, 2009, 04:23 quote
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Do not know much about Finns but judging the book by its cover (cover being the infamous Mr Marti Ahtisari and Dr. Helena Ranta - please Google them up to find out more about them) it seems they are not too far from the other pack of liars surrounding Russia.

OLUT April 28, 2010, 21:46 quote
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Minor correction: that should read Mato Valtonen, formerly of the Leningrad Cowboys, not Mati Vatanen of the Leningrad Boys. (Thank you for mentioning him in the story -- I admire him tremendously, and am happy to see any news with him mentioned!) Bianca - Boris Yeltsin himself admitted Russia was guilty in starting the Winter War. Russia framed Finland for an attack and used it to invade Finland. Finland only allied with Germany because they tried to get help from other countries to stop the Russians, and the only country who answered the call was Germany. I don't have a link for you, but it's not hard to find. Marko - I agree with you totally, Karelia should be returned as soon as possible, and through peaceful means. Don't know if this is your thing, but Valtonen's (from the article) old band Sleepy Sleepers made an entire album about the fact Russia took Karelia, it's called "Takaisin Karjalaan." Haven't listened to it very much so I don't remember what all they say, but it's interesting nonetheless.

A suprised Finn June 21, 2010, 01:18 quote
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Is really did not see this comming. Since when have Russian News stations done away with the Soviet propaganda and actually looked at hard evidence and facts!? Good job! I sincirely hope they keep it up. And no, I'm not sarcastic. That's the suprising part. And Bianca. Oh, where to begin. First. United Kingom DID declare war on Finland on 6 December 1941 (and there was co-operation between Finnish and German forces until 1944). Not that they wanted or were happy to do it, but because Stalin demanded it and sadly the western allies needed USSR in the same line with them. Without them, there were no guaranteens as to how long the war would take, and what would the cost be. Secondly. Finland was democracy, before, during and after the war. Unlike in the Balkan countries where the nazi symhatizers over threw the lawful goverments, no such thing happened here. Nor were the finns especially attached to nazis. Sure, Finns and Germans do share an interesting bit of history, but nazis themselves are a whole 'nother chapter. Also, only 8 of the ~500 Finnish Jews were ever handed to the Germans. They even had field synagogs. Thirdly. How was Finland to conduct this "proxy war"? Our air forces had barely enough planes for a defencive war (even with 30% of the Swedish air forces volunteering to help us), our navy barely can have the name and, unlike a certain dictator, Finnish goverment was fully intent on honouring the non-agression pact of 1932 that was extended to last until 1945. I could continnue giving a number of more points, not the least the fact that USSR and Germany were ALLIES in 1938-41, but I've reached the 2000 letter limit.

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