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Estonia remembers Nazi collaboration with military training
Published: 05 August, 2010, 02:16
Edited: 14 October, 2010, 19:38
TAGS: Health, Military, Scandal, Hate crimes, Baltic states
The “Erna Raid” annual international military exercise has begun in Estonia.
It commemorates a reconnaissance group that worked with German military intelligence during World War II.
Moscow believes that the exercise is an attempt to glorify Estonia’s collaboration with Nazi Germany.
The Erna unit was a Finnish Army formation of Estonian volunteers that spied behind Red Army lines.
The games have been held since 1994, with teams from around the world taking part.
European Parliament former member Glyn Ford says that only a small minority of Europeans support events that glorify the Nazi past.
“It is clearly both offensive and bizarre that while there is a new enthusiasm for extreme sports, it’s actually being based around a Nazi collaborators organization,” Ford told RT. “From World War II I would have though that generally across the European Union the vast majority of people would be horrified about what’s going on. There always are a small minority of people who actually sympathize with the Nazis, but they are extremely small these days, and I can’t imagine that anywhere there would be charitable support for this event.”
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Bogdanov: About change: There was a democratical part of the world (West) and dictatorship (SU), which collapsed. Did you expect that West should have changed their views closer to Soviets to balance the change in SU? I hope not. Maybe you mean the attitudes towards Russia? They have changed a lot since SU collapsed to more positive direction. What do you see that Russians are expecting more then? I don't agree with your view of Russians only responding to Nato expansion. I think it works the other way. Some arguments that supports this: - Baltic countries wanted to join Nato because they felt threatened by Russia before they were Nato members. - Russia is strengthening it's military near the Finnish border and having big exercises there, even though Finland haven't anywhere expressed interest to join Nato. I don't personally see the point of spending big sums of money on military and wasting human years in service of it, if not absolutely necessary. And if you have noticed, most of the Europe is actually cutting their defense budgets, while Russia is spending more all the time. From Finnish perspective there's no sense whatsoever to even suggests that EU would be a military threat to Russia. And at the moment I don't see Russia a threat to EU either. I have (that much) trust in it's current leaders. But the problem is that as Russia doesn't have strong democratic institutions yet, no-one knows what kind of leaders we'll get in the future. In Russia the strong leaders have been such a long tradition and there's no structure to guard from them yet. I don't see any problem with nazis in EU in foreseeable future. EU members don't speak the same language and their cultures and problems are very diverse, so no leader can get very large support. Problem will be with racism, but even this doesn't seem to concern Russians, as for example most Finnish racists think them as preferred immigrants compared to darker skinned ones.
Bogdanov: Sorry couldn't answer sooner, but was inspecting nazi situation in couple of European countries. No nazis but a lot of crazy drivers. ;) I'm afraid you didn't read my comment properly, as I didn't say you are dishonest. I said that this type of argumentation seems dishonest to me. In my culture things usually are this or that, but not both at the same time. They of course may change to another after discussion based on good arguments and facts. Naturally not everybody shares the same views, but usually most of the times the facts can be agreed upon, just the conclusions are different. And this is about things people know. Things they don't know, they rarely are willing to start even a debate.
Estonia is like any other country where some people do like the nazi way of life. But that does'nt mean that we all think that Adolf and Nazis were good. Estonians rather think that nazis were better than red army because red army deported a lot of our ancestors in siberia. And killed them so of course we are proud of Erna ''ghosts'' who breached the red army lines and caused fear for the red army. So if you do think that Estonians are nazis than your wrong we had to do what we could to pay back for what they did to our families. That we love our families and that we are ready to for anything to damage and destroy the bastards who killed and deported our families. You should take estonians as people who care and love one another not as nazis.